http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

The latest 'info' says 32 dead. And toll possibly rising.

That is an out of the way campus 20 miles off the nearest major highway. It will be interesting to find out who the perpetrator was and his motive.

I heard on the radio about an hour ago that when the gun man showed up he was looking for his girlfriend. When he couldn't find her he started shooting.

Doesn't sound like much of a motive, there must be more to it.

"I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day" - Brenda Ann Spencer

On 29 January 1979, 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire on children arriving at Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego from her house across the street.

P.S. My intent is of course to show that there often isn't a motive that any sane person could rationalize.

Exactly, they may have had a fight or broken up or something else entirely. People can snap for the most trivial of reasons.

edit: I can't find anything on-line verifying what I heard on the radio, so it may not be correct any way.

Very sad incident.

Is that it ???!!!

8 replies to your most outrageous shooting incident in American history, whereas 102 replies to an illegal alien running someone down ???

IMO yet another very good reason for strict gun control, possibly wouldn't prevent all such cases but it would help.

PS: I think it kicked off with him shooting his ex. girlfriend and her new boyfriend. What 'cracked' after that only he knew and gladly he didn't live to tell the tale and saved you all tax dollars keeping him in jail.

Must admit after learning he was an Asian I at first though "another terrorist act".

>Is that it ???!!!
>
>8 replies to your most outrageous shooting incident in
>American history, whereas 102 replies to an illegal alien
>running someone down ???
>
>IMO yet another very good reason for strict gun control,
>possibly wouldn't prevent all such cases but it would help.
>
>PS: I think it kicked off with him shooting his ex. girlfriend
>and her new boyfriend. What 'cracked' after that only he knew
>and gladly he didn't live to tell the tale and saved you all
>tax dollars keeping him in jail.
>
>Must admit after learning he was an Asian I at first though
>"another terrorist act".
Only 8 replies. That is the smartest thing about this forum. Let us not jump to the conclusions we are hearing from the media sector. Remember the three Lacrosse players before jumping to conclusions. Let us wait for information to unfold.

Additionally, this is not the time to politicize the incident with the gun control arguments.

I am always amused when anyone who can read a news release, or watch a TV report containing sketchy information at best, can become an instant expert here and even Analise American society. No need to wait for solid facts.

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I am always amused when anyone who can read a news release, or watch a TV report containing sketchy information at best,
can become an instant expert here and even Analise American
society. No need to wait for solid facts.

No instant expert here, but the solid facts are that gun homicide in USA is 30 times that of the UK and 10 times that of Canada. (And yes that does take account of population size).

Perhaps your legislators should analyse American society.

Can you show me a credited link backing up that information hopefully in per capita population numbers?

Homicide by gun? Knife? Stranglation? Just "homicide" isn't very specific.

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Can you show me a credited link backing up that information >hopefully in per capita population numbers?

Homicide by gun? Knife? Stranglation? Just "homicide" isn't
very specific.

I did quote "gun homicide" ... figs taken from here:

http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/factsheetservlet?command=viewfactsheet&factsheetid=102&category=factsheets

Scroll to "What do other countries do ?"

Note that this information isn't up-to-date but recent comparative international info seems hard to come by.
http://harris.dvc.org.uk/dunblane/homemain.html

Noreen's link seems to confirm the data. Your US gun culture does appear to reinforce the use of firearms in crime.

Imagine the scenario: A criminal goes intent on a street robbery or burglary. He knows in the US over 50% of his victims will have access to a gun, so he must go armed and if confronted will have to use his gun and ask questions later. In the UK (and other non gun cultures) the criminal knows few if any victims carry guns so need not carry one himself let alone use it.

Also in the UK arguments can result in each trying to knock one anothers lights out, in the US they blow one anothers brains out !!

All very sad and avoidable.

The only problem which is Switzerland which has a military weapon in almost every house because the military is primarily reserves and they keep their weapons at home.

In Australia how much did breaking and entering climb? How much did mugging climb? How mch did crime rise when they banned weapons so only criminals and the police could have them

I think that we can all appreciate that it would be very difficult to reverse the situation once guns are commonplace in a country even if there was the desire to do so. That's why we believe it's so important to not allow the same situation to start here, once the genie is out of the bottle how do you get it back?

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The only problem which is Switzerland.......

It would appear that the Swiss use their guns to shoot themselves rather than each other.

I don't believe that graph. According to that 85% of American households are gun owners. This is not true.


I'd like to see some ACCURATE facts. Why can't the people who are against guns provide these? Where are the facts supporting your theory that guns are bad? Besides just a theory in their head?

No, according to that graph there are 85 guns owned for every 100 persons. There are many smart people who choose to own no gun at all and many foolish people who choose to own an arsenal. It works out to 85 to 100.

And of course guns are bad. Their primary purpose is to cause injury or death. How can that ever be good? A gun is sometimes a necessary evil -- but evil, at least according to its dictionary definition, is still bad.

Legally purchased guns = 32 + 1 dead children -- very, very bad. Extremely bad.

There is a sub-culture of America that apparently loves its guns more than it loves its children. That also is bad. Tragically bad. :-(

>And of course guns are bad. Their primary purpose is to cause
>injury or death. How can that ever be good? A gun is sometimes
>a necessary evil -- but evil, at least according to its
>dictionary definition, is still bad.


:bs: If your gonna jump on ban the guns bandwagon you can be sure to hear from me & it ain't going to be in a PM!!!

A gun is a tool chum & when handled properly is no more dangerous then a skill saw, nail gun, hammer, whatever.

The evil is the person who misuses any of these tools!!! Don't friggin get me going on that crap. x(

A tool!!!!!!! A gun is a weapon specifically designed for killing whether in a good or bad cause, a tool isn't.

Main Entry: 1gun
Pronunciation: 'g&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English gonne, gunne
1 a : a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile

Yep a weapon

Main Entry: 1weap·on
Pronunciation: 'we-p&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English wepen, from Old English wpen; akin to Old High German wAffan weapon, Old Norse vApn
1 : something used to injure, defeat, or destroy
2 : a means of contending against another

Why are you a dictionary tonight?

Simple.

1: I've had guns since I got my hunting license at 15.

2: I don't consider them a weapon. They are a firearm, a tool I use to put meat on the table.

3: Everytime some wacko goes on a killing spree it's the gun that did it. It's not the gun it's the moron that happened to use a gun. If it was a knife would everyone want to ban the knives? How many die by the knife?

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1: I've had guns since I got my hunting license at 15.

Congratulations

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2: I don't consider them a weapon. They are a firearm, a tool I use to put meat on the table.

Ah ha! I got you here. There's a neat thing invented a few years ago called a grocery store. It's how I put meat on the table, and it's much safer and easier to to acquire the meat. Unless I get robbed, which is unlikely.

Read about them here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grocery_store

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3: Everytime some wacko goes on a killing spree it's the gun that did it. It's not the gun it's the moron that happened to use a gun. If it was a knife would everyone want to ban the knives? How many die by the knife?

More people die by guns than knives. However to support your usual tired argument that pro-gun people use more people do die from cars than guns so should we ban cars? NO! we need cars we don't need guns. This is just the kind of typical baseless metaphors that gun owners use to support their weak arguments.

But you're right about the fact that it is the wackos that kill people not guns. But it's hard to ignore the documentation in print about gun deaths in other countries as compared to the US's rate.

In the business world when you find a tactic that is working for other companies most if not all companies catch on the bandwagon of that particular tactic that is successful and ride with it. The US obviously isn't ready yet to give up their guns in exchange for safety. The proof is there that less guns prove to be safer. We're just not ready for it yet.

Give it time though and we will eventually rewrite the ridiculous and outdated second amendment. It will just take a few more senseless deaths.

>

>Ah ha! I got you here. There's a neat thing invented a few
>years ago called a grocery store. It's how I put meat on the
>table, and it's much safer and easier to to acquire the meat.
>Unless I get robbed, which is unlikely.
>
>Read about them here:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grocery_store

LOL I got a good chuckle outta that. :-)

>

>More people die by guns than knives. However to support your
>usual tired argument that pro-gun people use more people do
>die from cars than guns so should we ban cars? NO! we need
>cars we don't need guns. This is just the kind of typical
>baseless metaphors that gun owners use to support their weak
>arguments.

Ah ha I got you here. First I'm with no pro-gun people I'm for myself & what I stated is what I use my guns for. Knives why shouldn't they be banned? They're bad, they are sharp, most kids cut themselves at least once in their childhood. Oops forgot you need them to cut your grocery store bought steak! ;-)

Cars oh my God they are bad, global warming you know all that stuff going into the strasthophear(sp) & we might not be here much longer to enjoy a juicy grocery sirloin.

See we can argue till the cows come home & still no one will agree!!!

>

>In the business world when you find a tactic that is working
>for other companies most if not all companies catch on the
>bandwagon of that particular tactic that is successful and
>ride with it. The US obviously isn't ready yet to give up
>their guns in exchange for safety. The proof is there that
>less guns prove to be safer. We're just not ready for it yet.

Not true & never going to happen.

>

>Give it time though and we will eventually rewrite the
>ridiculous and outdated second amendment. It will just take a
>few more senseless deaths.

Your dreaming in colors, that ain't never ever going to happen!!! And by God how I wish Canada would have a second amendment like you guys.

Edit: Hmm something went wrong with the post!!! }(

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a piece of ordnance usually with high muzzle velocity and comparatively flat trajectory b : a portable firearm (as a rifle or handgun) c : a device that throws a projectile

and for what purpose?

Tools can be weapons too, just take a look at this wackjob:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18183171/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/11/

See post #49 verse 2!!! :-)

Jump on the bandwagon, chum? I helped hitch the horses to that bandwagon at least fifty years ago and have been proudly riding around in it, blowing my trombone and banging my drum as loudly as possible, ever since.

How many guns one owns doesn't matter. I want to know how many Americans are armed.

Too goddamed many!

Yeah, we all disarm. Then the criminals bring a gun to a knife fight. :rolleyes:

Those in America who want honest citizens to disarm. Then only the police military and criminals will have weapons. That is a scary picture

Y'know, you guys almost have me convinced. I think I'm beginning to agree. I guess I've become overwhelmed by the sophistication and unassailable logic of your arguments.

Excuse me a moment. I'm sure you'll empathize -- they have just come to adjust my straight jacket and change my drool bib.

The depth of your insight and the originality of your commentary continues to impress. This time, you have truly surpassed yourself. Congratulations.

I'm glad you're impressed but your insulting remarks to a lot of posters is not impressive. I really don't give a shit what you say about me.

Have a good day. :)

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Gun Homicide Rates Around the World
Wednesday April 18, 2007 3:31 AM
By The Associated Press

Number of deaths from firearms for every 1,000,000 people in the following countries in 2003:

- Brazil: 213

- South Africa: 126

- United States: 41

- Canada: 5.1

- England and Wales: 0.3

- Japan: 0.3

Source: The International Action Network on Small Arms using information from various government sources. 2003 was the most recent year that complete data from all countries was available.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6566380,00.html

Good info Noreen, along with this it would be nice to see how many armed citizens there are per 1,000,000, not how many guns 1 citizen owns.

There's a limit to what I can find. :-) You try.

Anybody remember Jack the Ripper? Point is, if a wacko wants to kill people he/she will do it whether a gun is available or not. If the dingleberry at Virginia Tech had been denied a request to purchase guns you can bet your boots he would have gone on the internet and learned how to make some really powerful bombs that would have had the potential to kill many more people (remember Oklahoma City?). Should we close the internet and take away peoples computers?

My home was broken into one night. It was fortunate that the thieves were quiet enough that I didn't even wake up. They gained entrance through a garage door and on the way into the house they picked up a large, heavy rubber mallet and a large claw hammer. I found both laying on my computer desk in the morning. The hammers were there for one reason only and that was to probably kill me so I wouldn't be able to identify them. I'll guarantee you that had I been awakened by the perps they would have looked down the barrel of my .357 before they were able to use the hammers. I sincerely hope I'll never have to defend myself with a firearm but I will do that before I let someone harm me.

WHy not use an air pistol. I have 2 expensive ones that look VERY real and look just like the real thing. In the dark you can't tell the difference. A shot in the right place doesn't feel good either, and they don't kill. I always say that breaking into ones home, or crossing private property doesn't deserve a death sentence.

If they do as I say and get on the floor where they are no threat to me they will live. If they decide instead to attempt physical harm then they stand an excellent chance of their bodies assuming room temperature. I'll leave it to you to try to stop two guys with hammers with your BB gun. I'll put my faith in my .357 with hollow points.

So a gun is your only method of self defense? Pretty wimpy in my opinion. A death sentence for assault is still a little much.

I've never owned a gun but what I don't understand about people who shoot them is why shoot to kill? Everyone always states, yourself included, that death will be the result. Why not just shoot them in the leg or arm? This way they will live, be in pain, and live to regret it in prison.

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WHy not use an air pistol. I have 2 expensive ones that look VERY real and look just like the real thing. In the dark you can't tell the difference. A shot in the right place doesn't feel good either, and they don't kill.

This has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have read coming from you. That kind of thinking is an easy way to get yourself and your family killed.

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I always say that breaking into ones home, or crossing private property doesn't deserve a death sentence.

Does a homeowner deserve a death sentence for having his occupied home broken into?

I guess it depends on where you live. I've never had my home broken into and where I live and have lived it's highly unlikely that it will. But if I lived in New Orleans or South Side of Chicago it might be a different story.


As for the air pistol how is that dumb? If I saw someone pointing that at me I would either freeze or run. Lately I've been reading about several area businesses that have been robbed with air pistols. The clerks were terrified and had no idea it wasn't a real gun. Needless to say if the robber had an itchy trigger finger or the gun went off by accident no one would of been killed.

I agree with Les. If somebody breaks into your house... They're fair game. Deadly force is appropriate.
You don't know whether their trying to rob you, abduct your children, or kill you.

Here is a good reason for somebody to have a gun in the house.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/12/idaho.children/index.html

Here's another one. Imagine if Dad had been awake with a gun.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/19/missing.girl/

True, I wouldn't mind having a gun if some psycho was in my house and was a detriment to my family.

But I think the statistics are clear that guns definitely do more harm than good.


Cars kill more people than guns. But we should keep them because they do more good than harm, and that's obvious.


Knives kill people too, but they obviously do more good than harm, and that should be obvious.

A kitchen knife or a baseball bat to my intruders neck or face, will definitely do me some justice in the highly unlikely event I have a break in.

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A kitchen knife or a baseball bat to my intruders neck or face, will definitely do me some justice in the highly unlikely event I have a break in.

I wouldn't take that chance with my family, you may lose. With a gun he's not getting that close in most cases.

If you want to scare them have a pump action shotgun. Most criminals know the sound of a pump shotgun when a round is chambered and in most cases they will run like hell. However if they do not and want to kill double odd buckshot will be the equalizer.

In my house they will have to speak to MR Smith and Wesson.

You always aim at the largest mass the chest area, this is the procedure taught by police departments. The reason is an adrenalin rush. It is not easy to hit an arm or a leg.

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It is nor easy to hit an arm or a leg.

Believe me, I'm not aiming to maim an intruder in my house. I'm shooting to kill.

Why jerk like this couldn't just put the first bullet into his own brain.

To put this in perspective...

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt's advice to Iraqis who see TV images of innocent civilians killed by coalition troops. “Change the channel”

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Disarm America first hey Tone?

IMO the only reason we don't have 650,000 casualties from the criminal element starting in 2000 is because we can protect ourselves.

If half of the students had been packing a gun today, the death toll would have stopped at 3 casualties, not 33 casualties + 17 wounded.

Of course law enforcement would have treated that student as a criminal and arrested him, or her for saving 30 other students from death, and perhaps 16 or 17 students from being wounded. But that's life in the USA these days. :rolleyes:

Welcome to the 21st century. :clap:

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Disarm America first hey Tone?

Not the military or law enforcement, that would be silly.

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IMO the only reason we don't have 650,000 casualties from the
criminal element starting in 2000 is because we can protect
ourselves.

If half of the students had been packing a gun today, the
death toll would have stopped at 3 casualties, not 33
casualties + 17 wounded.

Seems to me that the only people who arm themselves do so with criminal intent and the availability is such they don't have to look far for guns. Does your average man or woman in the street carry a gun all the time ? I think not, especially students.

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Of course law enforcement would have treated that student as a
criminal and arrested him, or her for saving 30 other students
from death, and perhaps 16 or 17 students from being wounded.
But that's life in the USA these days. :rolleyes:

Welcome to the 21st century. :clap:

Same as Britain m8, you can't even argue with a robber these days without facing criminal charges !!?? x(

If half of the students had been packing a gun today, the death toll would have stopped at 3 casualties, not 33 casualties + 17 wounded.

Assuming they didn't end up shooting each other - the most likely outcome. Your cops do it from time to time, so the chances of it happening in a crowded lecture hall would be pretty high.

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Paul D

They had a gun ban on campus!!! After the first shooting no matter how the investigation was going, classes should have been cancelled & the campus locked down. You will see changes at all campuses in the US for sure after this massacre. Very sad indeed.

Virginia quashed bill allowing handguns on campuses:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55226

Shooter identified: 'Virginia Tech IDs Gunman as Cho Seung-Hui, a Student From South Korea'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108&page=1

Va. Tech Gunman Writings Raised Concerns

Apr 17, 2:13 PM (ET)

By ADAM GELLER

BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - The gunman suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead was described Tuesday as a sullen loner whose creative writing in English class was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service.

News reports also said that he may have been taking medication for depression, that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic, and that he left a note in his dorm in which he railed against "rich kids,""debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior majoring in English, arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., officials said. He was living on campus in a different dorm from the one where Monday's bloodbath began.

Police and university officials offered no clues as to exactly what set him off on the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history.

"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," school spokesman Larry Hincker said.

Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled."

"There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was. Rude refused to release any of his writings or his grades, citing privacy laws.

The Chicago Tribune reported on its Web site that he left a note in his dorm room that included a rambling list of grievances. Citing unidentified sources, the Tribune said he had recently shown troubling signs, including setting a fire in a dorm room and stalking some women.

ABC, citing law enforcement sources, reported that the note, several pages long, explains Cho's actions and says, "You caused me to do this."

Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression, the Tribune reported.

Classmates said that on the first day of an introduction to British literature class last year, the 30 or so English students went around and introduced themselves. When it was Cho's turn, he didn't speak.

The professor looked at the sign-in sheet and, where everyone else had written their names, Cho had written a question mark. "Is your name, 'Question mark?'" classmate Julie Poole recalled the professor asking. The young man offered little response.

Cho spent much of that class sitting in the back of the room, wearing a hat and seldom participating. In a small department, Cho distinguished himself for being anonymous. "He didn't real out to anyone. He never talked," Poole said.

"We just really knew him as the question mark kid," Poole said.

The rampage consisted of two attacks, more than two hours apart - first at a dormitory, where two people were killed, then inside a classroom building, where 31 people, including Cho, died after being locked inside, Virginia State Police said. Cho committed suicide; two handguns - a 9 mm and a .22-caliber - were found in the classroom building.

One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident, federal officials said. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony.

Investigators stopped short of saying Cho carried out both attacks. But ballistics tests show one gun was used in both, Virginia State Police said.

And two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on both guns. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said.

Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of the Virginia State Police, said it was reasonable to assume that Cho was the shooter in both attacks but that the link was not yet definitive. "There's no evidence of any accomplice at either event, but we're exploring the possibility," he said.

Officials said Cho graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., in 2003. His family lived in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va.

Two of those killed in the shooting rampage, Reema Samaha and Erin Peterson, graduated from Westfield High in 2006, school officials said. But there was no immediate word from authorities on whether Cho knew the two young women and singled them out.

"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said. Shash said Cho spent a lot of his free time playing basketball and would not respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet.

South Korea expressed its condolences, and said it hoped that the tragedy would not "stir up racial prejudice or confrontation."

"We are in shock beyond description," said Cho Byung-se, a Foreign Ministry official handling North American affairs.

Thousands of people gathered in the basketball arena, and when it filled up, thousands more filed into the football stadium, for a memorial service for the victims Tuesday, with President Bush scheduled to attend. Gov. Tim Kaine was flying back to Virginia from Tokyo for the gathering.

Classes were canceled for the rest of the week. Norris Hall, the classroom building, will be closed for the rest of the semester.

Many students were leaving town quickly, lugging pillows, sleeping bags and backpacks down the sidewalks.

Jessie Ferguson, 19, a freshman from Arlington, left Newman Hall and headed for her car with tears streaming down her red cheeks.

"I'm still kind of shaky," she said. "I had to pump myself up just to kind of come out of the building. I was going to come out, but it took a little bit of 'OK, it's going to be all right. There's lots of cops around.'"

Although she wanted to be with friends, she wanted her family more. "I just don't want to be on campus," she said.

The first deadly attack was at the dormitory around 7:15 a.m., but some students said they didn't get their first warning about a danger on campus until two hours later, in an e-mail at 9:26 a.m., around the time the second attack began.

Two students told NBC's "Today" show they were unaware of the dorm shooting when they walked into Norris Hall for a German class where the gunman later opened fire.

The victims in Norris Hall were found in four classrooms and a stairwell, Flaherty said. Cho was found dead in one of those classrooms, he said.

Derek O'Dell, his arm in a cast after being shot, described a shooter who fired away in "eerily silence" with "no specific target - just taking out anybody he could."

After the gunman left the room, students could hear him shooting other people down the hall. O'Dell said he and other students barricaded the door so the shooter couldn't get back in - though he later tried.

"After he couldn't get the door open he tried shooting it open ... but the gunshots were blunted by the door," O'Dell said.

Virginia Tech President Charles Steger emphasized that the university closed off the dorm after the first attack. He said that before the e-mail was sent, the university began telephoning resident advisers in the dorms and sent people to knock on doors to warn them.

"We can only make decisions based on the information you had at the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it," Steger said.

Until Monday, the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard plowed his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.

Previously, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police.

One of his compostions: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html

I don't believe that site!!! The teacher that was trying to do something about his compositions said on CNN that they didn't refer to murdering anyone or guns.

Edit: I stand corrected (again) :blusher: seems like after these compositions were leaked or released she changed tunes. I guess she was protecting the privacy act!!!

But I'll tell you those composition looked liked they were written by a 13 year old not an English major at VT.

Additional info about the shooter: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/17/us/17cnd-ROOMMATE.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

What a tragedy that so many bright young lives have been cut short in this dreadful way.

Deleted post since newscontent of the link posted earlier got modified

Nothing about parents in that link.

Sorry.They have changed the contents.The first two paragraphs had quoted Korean Radio/TV source and mentioned the news about the parents