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serlvSun Dec-16-01 03:27 AM
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"networking XP and w2k computers"


          

how?

i have one machine with XP Pro and one with W2K Pro.

each has 2 NICs

I have 4 port Netgear hub

also am using a Linksys 4 port cablemodem router for my cable connection, both machines can see the internet thru that.

i want to use one NIC in each for TCP/IP only to connect the linksys
i'd like to use the other NIC(s) to connect the pc(s) thru the hub

both of the second NICs have Netbeui installed, and file sharing enabled have named the workgroup on both machines and have enabled shares.

what do i do next?

i had originally tried to use XP's Network wizard, but apparently it can't be used when the other computer is running W2K pro

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bump
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RE: bump
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      Using two nics in each?
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      RE: bump
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           RE: bump
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                                    XP and W2K
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                                         RE: XP and W2K
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serlvSun Dec-16-01 04:26 AM
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#1. "bump"
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bumpity bump

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RoniSun Dec-16-01 04:34 AM
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#2. "RE: bump"
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Which are the IP addresses of the Nics connected to the Hub? Can you ping one of those IPs from the other machine?


  

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bkoenig1Sun Dec-16-01 05:17 AM
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#3. "Using two nics in each?"
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Why? If you have a hub, from main computer nic to hub to modem or router. Hook second computer into the hub.
Mine works like this and I have both on the internet and networked together

Bill K.



  

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serlvSun Dec-16-01 11:34 AM
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#4. "RE: bump"
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they are private network IPs with the linksys router having its own IP and acting as the default gateway for the network ( lol, the wanna be network )

192.168.xxx.xxx,
192.169.xxx.xxz


to answer bkoenig1, because i want to have a the network boud to a NIC seperate from the one that is bound to the TCP/IP protocol

this has worked for me until now with XP

Netbeui isn't normally supported by XP but it can be done according to Microsoft

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/using/itpro/networking/netbeui.asp

getting it to work is another story

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RoniSun Dec-16-01 11:56 AM
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#5. "RE: bump"
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I don't get it, how those NIC's (The two which connect the 2 computers through the hub, not the Nics connected to the router) get their IP addresses? How they get their IP in the range of 192.168.xxx.xxx if there is no a DHCP server? They should get an IP in the range 169.254.xxx.xxx



  

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serlvSun Dec-16-01 12:11 PM
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#6. "RE: bump"
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hmmm
now i'm getting confused

those two IPs, 192.168.xxx etc,etc are the IPs the router/ default gateway gives to the two NICs, or PCs that are connected to the internet via TCP/IP

for the other two NICs, I installed Netbeui and bound those cards to that, Netbeui is a nonroutable protocol
from what i understand

however the 2 PCs can't see each other when I click on the Workgroup I've setup

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RoniSun Dec-16-01 12:30 PM
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#7. "RE: bump"
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Why don't you set them with TCP/IP (A better solution than NetBios by a long shot) assign them some appropriate static IP addresses (Even if you do not assign them an IP address they will get an address in the range of 169.254.xxx.xxx
I have a 6 computer network at home with only TCP/IP and it works perfectly well my OS are Windows 2000, Windows XP and Linux.


  

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serlvSun Dec-16-01 01:24 PM
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#8. "RE: bump"
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well, thanx Roni.
you got me to thinking ( usually a bad thing ! ) and i changed things around.

while doing so, i went to grc.com to to scan things.

these machines are behind a hardware firewall and i used his ip agent thing and it showed me the 192.xxx.xxx.xxx IP, but also showed me a 169.whatever ip that you were telling me about.

i then configured ZA to allow that IP

and i'm off and running

not sure i could repeat it, but the network is up and running.

i really needed to get a large file that was on the other pc onto this computer. its there now.

this one is running XP, the other is running W98/W2K dual boot. i have the network working in 98. now i need to see if i can get it going in w2k, which i vastly prefer.

again, thx.

scott

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RoniSun Dec-16-01 01:52 PM
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#9. "RE: bump"
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If you had said before that you had ZA, I would have told you had to set that IP range (169.254.xxx.xxx)
This is how that works.
For private IP address there is a range that is reserved and most small routers use, that range is the 192.168.xxxx.xxxx segment, your router probably has a service providing IP for the computers connected in its ports, this service (like a DHCP server) assigns addresses in the 192.168.xxx.xxx range. The 2 Nics connected to the router ask the DHCP server in the router for an IP address and one is assigned.
The other two Nics connected through the hub do not have a DHCP server to obtain an IP address so when this happen, Windows has a service (Auto-Configuration) which provides a range of IP addresses for that event, the IP addresses in that case will be in the range of 169.254.xxx.xxx, this is very convenient as even when you do not assign an IP address to those Nics they will be able to contact each other (You can also manually set an appropriate IP for those Nics as far as they are different and in the same IP segment)




  

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serlvSun Dec-16-01 02:25 PM
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#10. "XP and W2K"
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thanx for your help Ron.

Yes, i use ZA to control outbound connections and as another layer, so to speak, of inbound protection.

well, how hard will it be to get the network up and running in W2K?

can you give me some pointers.

i messed with this for most of today, eventually stumbling into it working ( in 98 ) through your posts and my visit to grc.

For W2K, should I remove both of the NICs in Device Manager and then set them up that way.

Brain is pretty much fried for today.
Isn't there issues with getting XP and W2K networked. Yes I know that XP is built on W2K but they definitely changed networking some.

Any help would be appreciated.

Scott

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RoniSun Dec-16-01 11:16 PM
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#11. "RE: XP and W2K"
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In the XP-Win2000 Networks things are not going to be any different, let the Nics obtain the IP Automatically, to check for the IPs in any XP/2000 computer go to the Command Prompt and type ipconfig.
You should have the Nic connected to the router with an IP in the range 192.168.xxx.xxx and the one connected to the hub in the 169.254.xxx.xxx range (Remember to add the 169.254 range in the ZA settings in the Win 2000 machine if ZA is there).
Once you know the IP of both machines ping the other machine from the command prompt (ping 169.254.123.231 for instance) if the ping is OK (You will get a reading) your next problem will be about user rights and passwords, from here the Network setup is different than the network with Win 98, but it is also a lot more secure.
You will need to create a user with the same user name and password in the other machine as the user you are login in (If somebody tell you to just activate the Guess account, DO NOT do it, that will mean that anybody getting access to your network can run around wild with no restrictions)
You will have to create the Share folders in Windows XP/2000 and grant that user access Rights in both the Share and the NTFS rights if you are using NTFS in that partition.


  

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serlvMon Dec-17-01 02:23 AM
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#12. "RE: XP and W2K"
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Appreciate your help Roni. will look into it. idefinitely want to get it going in W2K.

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