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bobboTue Dec-27-16 01:22 AM
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Yesterday I restarted WIn 7 from Win 10 and it recommended to scan D: where Win 10 resided. It started the disk examination, then started deleting files. After a short time, I killed the process and restarted, and again it wanted to scan D: I stopped and ran Win 7 for a while. Today I opened Win 10 and started a chkdsk command: "C: /f /r /x” and it started running and stopped at 12% after a few minutes, and stayed at 12%. I halted the scan (probably shouldn't had). I restarted Win 10 and it wanted to continue the chkdsk utility. I stopped it, and there are some items missing from the task bar. I'm seeking recommendations. i.e. just let it complete the chkdsk routine overnight?


  

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bobboTue Dec-27-16 04:50 AM
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#1. "RE: chkdsk question"
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As it turned out, when I tried restarting, it went to a different start up screen and offered a different command prompt which I used to start a chkdsk repair. It ran for about one hour, and function is restored.


  

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TtechTue Dec-27-16 01:33 PM
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#2. "RE: chkdsk question"
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You might want to run Defraggler or Crystal Disk or some other utility that reports the SMART status of the drive to see if it is developing any problems. I usually use Defraggler because I already have it installed, just go to the Health tab.

Behind every good computer... is a jumble of wires 'n stuff.

  

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bobboWed Dec-28-16 06:15 AM
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#3. "RE: chkdsk question"
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I just downloaded and installed Defragler. I like it much better than Windows Defrag.

  

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KJTWed Dec-28-16 12:11 PM
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#4. "RE: chkdsk question"
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What's better about it?

I, too, thought I'd try it but I didn't have good luck with it.

Initially I was told that my computer was 19% fragmented, After running Defraggler until it indicated it had completed, which took over an hour and a half, fragmentation was listed at 15%. I had it scan again and fragmentation was now shown to be 40%. I noticed that many of the pretty colored boxes that indicated they were defragged by the original scan had now changed color and needed defragmenting.

Interestingly, a quick scan with Windows defragger, indicated 0% fragmentation.

Jim.

  

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bobboWed Dec-28-16 05:53 PM
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#5. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Actually, after running it, which took a long time (hour+) I'm less enamored with it. It seems to do a good job, but will only use it to do an overnight defrag.

  

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bobboThu Dec-29-16 03:33 AM
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#6. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Thu Dec-29-16 03:49 AM by bobbo

  

          

I installed Crystal Disk snd started it and it found a whole bunch of things to correct. I'm not sure if I should turn it loose. Suggestions please.

Edit: I let it defrag, and it did it quickly. I also see that I will need to regi$ter it later.



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TtechThu Dec-29-16 01:25 PM
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#7. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Thu Dec-29-16 01:48 PM by Ttech

  

          

Bobbo,
That isn't Crystal Disk, it's some super duper, everything including the kitchen sink, promise you the world, fixit utility. Get rid of it!!!

Here's a link to Crystal Disk.
http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskInfo/index-e.html

Also my intent for Defraggler was to have you look at the Health section and tell us what it showed.

Behind every good computer... is a jumble of wires 'n stuff.

  

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KJTThu Dec-29-16 01:30 PM
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#8. "RE: chkdsk question"
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For that purpose, it was reasonably fast - I didn't time it - and the result was a GOOD rating.

Thanks.

Jim.

  

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TtechThu Dec-29-16 01:51 PM
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#9. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Thu Dec-29-16 02:18 PM by Ttech

  

          

Reasonably fast? All it's doing there is retrieving the SMART data from the drive. The report should be instantaneous.

Jim,
I think you clicked on the Analyze button. I'm referring to the tab labelled Health.

Bobbo,
If you look at the Health section of Defraggler, please post a screen shot of it. Defraggler will show the health as Good even when there are high numbers for some critical parameters that shouldn't be ignored.

Behind every good computer... is a jumble of wires 'n stuff.

  

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KJTThu Dec-29-16 02:31 PM
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#10. "RE: chkdsk question"
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I clicked on Health. I clicked and went off to do something. When I came back it was completed. That seemed reasonably fast to me.

Jim.

  

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bobboThu Dec-29-16 06:17 PM
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#12. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Thanks Martin, Here's the screen shot:



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TtechThu Dec-29-16 07:10 PM
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#13. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Bobbo,
Can you provide another screen shot with the rest of the health report showing? Just use the scroll bar on the side of the Defraggler window. I want to see the ID items past 196.

From what I see so far, your spin up time is high.

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bobboThu Dec-29-16 09:18 PM
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#14. "RE: chkdsk question"
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What's the significance of high spin up time? Here's the rest of the screen:



I have noticed that some apps take a little long to finish setting up.

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#15. "RE: chkdsk question"
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#199, your UltraDMA error count, is extremely high. I am betting your drive is failing rapidly.

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#16. "RE: chkdsk question"
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I agree with Dave, between the high spin up time and the high ultra DMA errors it's certain that your hard drive has problems. There is nothing that will make the drive get better, it will only get worse. How quickly it will get worse is hard to say.

If I was working on it I would get a new drive and try to clone the old drive to the new. If that was successful, everything would be the same on the new drive. All your partitions, settings, programs and data would all be the same.

Bobbo I know that you make images for backup, but do you make an image of the whole drive, or just individual partitions? I think you use Acronis, it probably has an option to clone the entire drive to another drive.

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bobboFri Dec-30-16 01:54 AM
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#17. "RE: chkdsk question"
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I primarily backup the primary partition, but I have both Win 7 and Win 10 on a fairly new 1 terabyte drive.



It looks like I need to clone that drive onto a new terabyte drive.

I do have a new unused SSD 246 GB drive, but it isn't large enough to clone Drive 0. I'd like to go to another SSD drive, but I don't know if I can afford one with the capacity of the current Drive 0. I'll do a little shopping to see what I can find. Recommendations?

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bobboFri Dec-30-16 02:02 AM
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#18. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Fri Dec-30-16 02:25 AM by bobbo

  

          

Adding up the used space on Drive 0 it comes to 409.62 GB about 1/2 the space used on the 1 terabyte drive. Again, recommendations? I'm about to go to NewEgg to look around.

I found this 4TB SSHD ad NewEgg. Comments? I have never had a drive with that capacity; do I really need that much?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236983&cm_re=drives-_-22-236-983-_-Product

Here's another group, much more expensive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100011693&IsNodeId=1&Description=1%20TB%20ssd%20hd&name=Internal%20SSDs&Order=BESTMATCH&isdeptsrh=1


  

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bobboFri Dec-30-16 02:32 AM
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#19. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Here's a little more information on my desktop to ensure compatibility with any suggestions :



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bobboFri Dec-30-16 03:32 AM
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#20. "RE: chkdsk question"
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One more question: Would you recommend turning the pC off when not in use? Which is harder on the computer, A cold start or leaving it running?

  

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#21. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Quote:
QUOTE:
One more question: Would you recommend turning the pC off when not in use? Which is harder on the computer, A cold start or leaving it running?



I would strongly recommend leaving the machine running. Either turn off the monitor or let it go into power saving mode on its' own. I always set the hard drives on desktop machines to power down after 30 minutes, although I don't have any quantitative data to support that practice. I do, however, seem to get a large amount of use out of a hard drive. The 1TB main drive in the machine I am using to write this comment has been in use through 3 machine upgrades (processor/CPU/memory) and is still running strong with excellent health data. That totals about 8 years of continuous use. I never turn it off, and only see a reboot about once a month when the Windows updates arrive.

Electronics, in general, suffer their greatest stresses when allowed to cycle through repeated cold/hot states, which happens when the machine is turned off for an extended period on a regular basis. You will notice that they seldom fail while operating, but generally fail while attempting to restart.

I trust Shelly will either support or improve on this response, and look forward to his input.

Dave

  

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#22. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Fri Dec-30-16 03:34 PM by Shelly

  

          

I always leave my computers running and I can't remember when I had a drive fail. Of course at my age I can't remember much of anything.

Shelly

  

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#23. "RE: chkdsk question"
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That said, Dave and Shelly, I will keep this thing running until I can find another drive to be cloned. Thanks for the input.


  

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#24. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Fri Dec-30-16 09:52 PM by bobbo

  

          

There is a tremendous price difference between SSDs and standard HDs.
I have only used SATA

Here is one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LNJBA2I/ref=sr_ob_1/154-0026260-3813631?ie=UTF8&qid=1483134155&sr=8-1

And another: https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Cache-Desktop-Drive-WD10EZEX/dp/B0088PUEPK/ref=sr_1_4/154-0026260-3813631?ie=UTF8&qid=1483134155&sr=8-4&keywords=sata+1tb+hdd

I have used several WDs; Please give me a preference or another suggestion. Thanks.

  

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bobboSat Dec-31-16 05:14 AM
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#25. "RE: chkdsk question"
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I just ordered a WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch Desktop Hard Drive (WD10EZEX) from Amazon. Should arrive Jan 3. Hope I can remember how to clone it with TrueImage. Its been years since I have used that feature.

  

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#26. "RE: chkdsk question"
In response to bobbo (Reply # 25)
Mon Jan-16-17 06:43 AM by bobbo

  

          

As per my previous post, I cloned the old 1TB HD to a new 1TB HD and the difference is amazing; check the health status now.



BTW, The huge Command Timeout is probably because it can't find the second hard drive because the power cable came loose from the MB, which I'll correct tomorrow.

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bobboTue Jan-17-17 03:44 AM
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#27. "RE: chkdsk question"
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I spoke too soon. The new HD started having trouble starting. Again, its a dual boot 7 32bit and 10 64bit. I reconnected the failing HD on which I'm now communicating, since the new drive has problems.
When I try to start in Win 10, it says that it encountered a problem and needs to restart. I went through several restarts, but the problem continues to persist. When I try to boot into Win 7, it starts to load 7 but goes into a chkdsk that runs on and on indicating deleting files in Win 10. What would have happened to cause this start problem, since it began OK initially?

  

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#28. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Quote:
QUOTE:
I spoke too soon. The new HD started having trouble starting. Again, its a dual boot 7 32bit and 10 64bit. I reconnected the failing HD on which I'm now communicating, since the new drive has problems.
When I try to start in Win 10, it says that it encountered a problem and needs to restart. I went through several restarts, but the problem continues to persist. When I try to boot into Win 7, it starts to load 7 but goes into a chkdsk that runs on and on indicating deleting files in Win 10. What would have happened to cause this start problem, since it began OK initially?



Possibilities include faulty ram, the questionable cable to the old, failing drive, and a clone to the new drive that was based on data from the failing drive that was already compromised. I'd start by running a thorough check of the ram overnight using Memtest, then replacing the questionable cable with a known good one. Report on the results of those two steps, and good luck.

Dave

  

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#29. "RE: chkdsk question"
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Thanks Dave, I'm running on the old drive as I type this, and it starts in each OS with no problem. Initially, the cloned drive booted without incident although the second drive was not connected resulting in the other partitions being renamed according to the partitions that remained. I'm thinking to try re-cloning the new drive with the other drive connected. Will report back when this is/isn't fixed.

  

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#30. "RE: chkdsk question"
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I would use SFC /SCANNOW rather than chkdsk. As explained at https://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/325080-sfc-scannow-chkdsk-whats-diff.html the major difference: chkdsk checks disk for hardware issues. SFC is system file check and checks for missing or corrupt windows system files. Since the hard drive is brand new, I doubt that you would see a hard drive that is already bad. Besides if I'm remembering correctly your screenshot of speccy did not indicate that the SMART was tripped.

I would go to Window's System Reliability Monitor described in the CIO article here: http://www.cio.com/article/2998906/windows/how-to-work-with-windows-10-reliability-monitor.html

If you need any help interpreting BSOD (blue screen of death messages) I would suggest Nirsoft's Blue Screen Viewer, win crash report, and App Crash Report listed here:
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/application_crash_report.html
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/what_is_hang.html

If memory is an issue, I recommend you look at http://www.howtogeek.com/260813/how-to-test-your-computers-ram-for-problems/


Other tools/resources
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/wise_pc_1staid.html
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/notmyfault.aspx
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/ultimate_boot_cd_(ubcd).html

Good luck and wishing you a speedy recovery

  

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bobboSat Feb-11-17 09:43 PM
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#31. "RE: chkdsk question"
In response to bobbo (Reply # 29)


  

          

I conferred with a local Tech shop who advised that the Acronis version I used was too old to do the clone properly, so I re-cloned the working drive to the new drive using a newer Acronis app, and it worked perfectly. I am now working from the newly cloned drive.

  

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#11. "RE: chkdsk question"
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It's gone.

  

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