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number12Fri Mar-17-06 09:42 PM
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" A different take on the war in Iraq than you will find here"


          

with a little non-related historical perspective:

http://frum.nationalreview.com/

  

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jazz4freeFri Mar-17-06 10:33 PM
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#1. "RE: A different take on the war in Iraq than you will find here"
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Then again, there's this "reality check" take from the founding editor of the National Review:

http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200602241451.asp

  

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number12Fri Mar-17-06 11:04 PM
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#2. "RE: A different take on the war in Iraq than you will find here"
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William Buckley is a rare conservative intellectual. That article was written a few weeks ago. Let`s hope the American And Iraqi offensive of the last two days is a shift in strategy to deal with insurgents and bring hope to the citizenry.

  

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jazz4freeSat Mar-18-06 01:16 AM
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#3. "RE: A different take on the war in Iraq than you will find here"
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Sat Mar-18-06 03:00 AM by jazz4free

  

          

The US military has made several similar sorties over the past three years. They are powerful and superbly professional and can take any objective, unfortunately they haven't the strength to hold it and are soon ordered back to Fort Apache. The insurgents, who have had the good sense to beat it, then move right back into an area where they find people even more pissed off than before with the US and Bagdad.

The difference this time is that a bunch of half-trained, well-armed Shite soldiers have tagged along into the Sunni heartland.

Sorry, but what new hope this deja vu mission will bring to the Iraqi citizenry escapes me.

But I suppose hope springs eternal.

  

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No_OneSat Mar-18-06 03:48 AM
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#4. "RE: A different take on the war in Iraq than you will find here"
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Thanks for the update General.

Perhaps you didn't see this, a report written by an Iraqi producer who works for CNN.

A quote from the story: "I remember one day when my mother was watching news on local TV as they showed the aftermath of an explosion that missed a joint U.S. and Iraqi military convoy, but killed two nearby children.

Tears ran down her face, as she cried in silence. I approached her, hugged her shoulder and asked her in this moment as she sat there crying, "Hey Mom, if you could return to the days before the war, would you?"

She looked at me for a while -- and still crying, shook her head slowly and said, "No."


If you have fond memories of the good old days of antebellum Iraq, well you probably think Mussolini was a great guy because he made the trains run on time. Trenitalia has been on a downhill slide ever since the people hung him out to dry.

I will be the first to admit, I don't know how Iraq will turn out, provided you are the second to admit it. But I'm not the kind of person who thinks the police solve every problem within an hour's time frame, I tend to take the long view. There is a quick and easy solution for every problem, unfortunately it is usually the wrong solution.

History will be the judge; if you don't mind, for now I will side with the people there, who after all, know what they are talking about.

  

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DuaneSat Mar-18-06 04:26 AM
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#5. "RE: A different take on the war in Iraq than you will find here"
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No matter how persuasive your info and opinion, it isn't likely to be viewed the same by jazz4free.

As for me, I think you wrote an excellent post.

duane

  

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jazz4freeSat Mar-18-06 10:13 AM
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#6. "RE: A different take on the war in Iraq than you will find here"
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Sat Mar-18-06 11:06 AM by jazz4free

  

          

From this armchair general, you are most welcome, Mr. No One, sir, and in return I thank you for the condescension.

No, I didn't see that particular report, but I have read and viewed many like it during the last three years, and I fail to see where it speaks to my point -- that it's "Ground Hog Day" for the US military.

To supply a purloined anecdote of my own, the presidential historian, Doris Kearns Goodwin, recounts the story of her soldier son who entered Bagdad, early days after the fall of Hussein, filled with the flush of victory and looking forward with great enthusiasm to helping, in his own small way, the people of Iraq build a viable, decent society. He was greeted with grateful smiles and pats on the back and a returned enthusiasm and optimism.

But all too quickly reality reared its ugly head, and instead of helping in the construction of a middle-eastern utopia which was to be the beacon of the new order, he found himself day after tedious day standing guard at a check point where he frisked civilians, and night after deadly night with his unit patrolling the bleak, ruined streets of the city, targets, hoping to draw fire so that they could kill the unidentifiable enemy.

And, no, unlike the little band of merry neocons with the standard-issue rose-colored glasses who direct this Administration's every blunder, I have no idea how this will turn out. Perhaps that is best left to the people who occupy that little part of the world the retreating imperial British once-upon-a-time decided should be a nation. Or maybe those backward people are feeble of mind, or perhaps they are hapless children who's hands need to be held by big brother while they cross an unfamiliar and dangerous street.

Also, in my opinion -- screw the trains and your sarcasm -- Mussolini was a preening fool and a murderous son-of-a-bitch!

A final observation, sir -- you are an articulate guy, but your views would be much more effective if they were presented with a little less school-yard-bully attitude.



  

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