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spy1Sat Feb-24-07 01:37 PM
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"H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"


          

THE MOST SWEEPING GUN BAN EVER INTRODUCED IN CONGRESS;
McCarthy Bill Bans Millions More Guns Than The Clinton Gun Ban

On Feb. 14, 2007, Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) introduced H.R. 1022, a bill with the stated purpose, "to reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes."

McCarthy's verbiage warrants explanation. Presumably, what she means by "assault weapons ban" is the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994. Congress allowed the ban to expire in 2004 for multiple reasons, including the fact that federal, state and local law enforcement agency studies showed that guns affected by the ban had been used in only a small percentage of crime, before and after the ban was imposed.

With the nation's murder rate 43% lower than in 1991, and the re-legalized guns still used in only a small percentage of crime, reauthorizing the Clinton Gun Ban would be objectionable enough. But McCarthy's "other purposes" would make matters even worse. H.R. 1022 would ban every gun banned by the Clinton ban, plus millions more guns, including:

. Every gun made to comply with the Clinton ban. (The Clinton ban dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments new guns could have. Manufacturers modified new guns to the Clinton requirements. H.R. 1022 would ban the modified guns too.)

. Guns exempted by the Clinton ban. (Ruger Mini-14s and -30s and Ranch Rifles; .30 cal. carbines; and fixed-magazine, semi-automatic, center-fire rifles that hold more than 10 rounds.)

. All semi-automatic shotguns. (E.g., Remington, Winchester, Beretta and Benelli, used for hunting, sport shooting, and self-defense. H.R. 1022 would ban them because they have "any characteristic that can function as a grip," and would also ban their main component, called the "receiver.")

. All detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles-including, for example, the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 .22 rimfire-because they have "any characteristic that can function as a grip."

. Target shooting rifles. (E.g., the three centerfire rifles most popular for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A and the M1 "Garand.")

. Any semi-automatic shotgun or rifle an Attorney General one day claims isn't "sporting," even though the constitutions of the U.S. and 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states, recognize the right to use guns for defense.

. 65 named guns (the Clinton law banned 19 by name); semi-auto fixed-magazine pistols of over 10 rounds capacity; and frames, receivers and parts used to repair or refurbish guns.

H.R. 1022 would also ban the importation of magazines exempted by the Clinton ban, ban the sale of a legally-owned "assault weapon" with a magazine of over 10 rounds capacity, and begin backdoor registration of guns, by requiring private sales of banned guns, frames, receivers and parts to be conducted through licensed dealers. Finally, whereas the Clinton Gun Ban was imposed for a 10-year trial period, H.R. 1022 would be a permanent ban.

Please be sure to contact your U.S. Representative and urge him or her to oppose
H.R. 1022!

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It is absolutely critical that everyone contact their Representative about this to oppose it, for the reasons stated above.

It is even more critical that any constitutents of Rep. McCarthy (Phone: (202) 225-2601; FAX: 225-1589 ) contact her and roundly condemn this proposed "law".

Find your Rep at: http://www.theorator.com/government/house.html and contact them by FAX and phone. A sample letter can be found here:

http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm - you can simply c&p it into a FAX. Pete

  

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GroganSat Feb-24-07 06:45 PM
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#1. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
In response to spy1 (Reply # 0)


  

          

Anyone who tries to bring in such legislation will be shot

Grogan

  

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Dave101Sat Feb-24-07 07:25 PM
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#2. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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LOL

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spy1Sat Feb-24-07 08:02 PM
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#3. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Trying to make sure it doesn't come to that, actually. Pete

"When fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

  

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Paul DSat Feb-24-07 08:50 PM
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#4. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Sat Feb-24-07 08:51 PM by Paul D

  

          

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
--George Washington


Very true, when it was written. In this day and age, pure poppycock. Can you really envision the citizenry of the United States, no matter how well armed individually, overthrowing the government, law-enforcement agencies and armed forces. I don't think so.



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nightlyreaderSat Feb-24-07 09:25 PM
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#5. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but
they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a
status of independence

Quote:
from any who might attempt to abuse them,
which would include their own government."
--George Washington


>Very true, when it was written. In
>this day and age, pure poppycock. Can you really envision the
>citizenry of the United States, no matter how well armed
>individually, overthrowing the government, law-enforcement
>agencies and armed forces. I don't think so.


Ol George was not referring to just our own government.

Nightly Reader

  

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Paul DSat Feb-24-07 11:22 PM
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#7. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Granted. All I'm suggesting (without getting into the other pros and cons) is that this is no longer a valid argument for or against weapon control in the USA.



Paul D

  

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#10. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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This does not apply to you, Pete, but it is striking how many people who support the Patriot Act are opposed to gun control. They are giving away vital civil rights which are much more valuable than the right to bear arms, but want to keep their guns. Those guns, as Paul rightly points out, are without use in terms of resisting an industrialized government. And their support of the Patriot Act make it much more likely that they will need defense from the government...

Luckily a wave of sanity is sweeping through politics. Next year the democrats take the executive and the legislative branches!

  

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#12. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Next year the democrats take the executive and the legislative branches!


Not so, depending on what you mean by "take". Although the elections are of course "next year", no one elected will "take" their elected positions until the year-after-next, albeit very early in that year.

Thus, in reality, Democrats won't "take the executive and the legislative branches" until 2009, at the earliest.

My prediction is that these elected Democrats will quickly fall out of public favor as they attempt to take the painful steps necessary to correct the problems created by the Bush administration.

Jim.

  

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JohnnyRebSun Feb-25-07 01:40 PM
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Point taken! I was more thinking of the election itself, but you are absolutely correct.

I am afraid your prediction may have some truth in it as well. I only hope people are understanding enough to see the reasons behind the actions. Bt that is, of course, being a blind dreamer...

  

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Ed W.Sat Feb-24-07 10:11 PM
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#6. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Any hunter that needs an assault rifle is NO hunter.


Edit: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17307316/

Ed W.

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#43. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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>Any hunter that needs an assault rifle is NO hunter.
>

So hunters are immune to gun bans?? Trust me, once these people are successful in eliminating "assault" rifles, hunters will be at risk as well. How long do you think it will take before they are calling your bolt action scoped rifle a SNIPER RIFLE??

The 2nd Amendment isn't about HUNTING.

  

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don sSun Feb-25-07 02:17 AM
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#8. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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When will they get around to banning "assault pistols, assault hammers, assault scissors, assault rocks, assault two by fours, and such." Outlawing an inaminate object will never prevent people from destroying other people if they really want to do so. I do not understand the mentality of those idiots we elect. Instead of doing something worthwhile they, for a large part, are bent on telling us what we can eat, how we can live,what we can say, what products we can use in building, and what we can do with land we have paid dearly for. Freedom is disappearing at a rapid rate.

  

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#9. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Well... it is considerably more difficult for a person to commit a murder with scissors than with an assualt rifle. My guess is that the Columbine tragedy would have been restricted to one or only a few victims if the perpetrators were using scissors.

Write back the next time a loved one of YOURS goes to a shopping mall and gets gunned down by someone on a rampage with an assault rifle. My guess is that you would rather that they had a two-by-four...

  

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#11. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Mark me down as a vote for scissors and 2 x 4's also. My kid would have a better chance of living than being pumped full of lead.


I love how gun lovers love to use a 200+ year old document as reason to own assault rifles. I would almost guarantee that if the technology and guns of today were around then, and if there were law and order then like there is today the document would of been written a little differently.

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#47. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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>I love how gun lovers love to use a 200+ year old document as
>reason to own assault rifles. I would almost guarantee that
>if the technology and guns of today were around then, and if
>there were law and order then like there is today the document
>would of been written a little differently.


That's a laugh. "law and order like there is today"?? You MUST be joking. There wasn't anywhere NEAR the crime rate then that we have today. Big cities today are crime ridden and dangerous. You can be killed over a pair of shoes these days. It wasn't like that 200 years ago when the Bill Of Rights was constructed.


  

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#48. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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What do you know of the crime rate from 1776 to 1900? Obviously nothing! Crime in this country and the rest of the world was rampant, and went largely unpunished. You have to study history, you can't just write your own to suit your beliefs.

Shelly

  

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#14. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Sun Feb-25-07 04:38 PM by spy1

          

What an infantile response.

Laws will never keep law-breakers from achieving their ends - simply look at all the gun-related laws on the books that have not stopped gun-violence.

The only thing that stopped the last mall-shooter was the fact that an off-duty police officer with a gun was there - or did that fact escape your attention?

All that "banning" laws do is dis-arm law-abiding citizens, tilting the advantage in favor of law-breakers.

I guess that's simply beyond your comprehension. Pete

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#15. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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The only thing that stopped the last mall-shooter was the fact that an off-duty police officer with a gun was there - or did that fact escape your attention?


Now that's just stupid if you're trying to justify assault weapon ownership. I could have an arsenal of assault weapons but they're not going to do me a bit of good when I'm at a shopping mall. Why? Because I'm not taking them to the mall with me - nor am I going shopping at a mall that allows assault weapon toting "citizens".

Jim.

  

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#16. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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and I doubt an off duty police officer will be toting an assault weapon.

Most places of businesses these days have signs in their windows that say no firearms allowed. It's pretty much pointless to carry them on you.

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#17. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Yes - that did a lot of good in that last mall shooting, didn't it?

Perhaps if the mall had not been clearly marked as a no-carry zone, the shooter would have picked a different target - or perhaps no target at all if he'd have realized that anywhere he went he'd be faced with the possibility of being taken out by a lawful citizen with a CCP?

Look - the point here is that allowing a law such as the one proposed to pass is part of the "death-of-a-thousand-cuts" scenario - you let the government start proscribing what kinds of weapons can and can't be purchased, and the next thing you know, none of them can be purchased.

Does this make things safer for everyone? Well hell no - criminals are going to get guns regardless!

Please explain to me what's so hard to understand about this. Pete

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#18. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Just a question and I really don't know the answer.


Are there more lives saved by gun toting average joe's saving the day than there are deaths from guns misused?

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#45. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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>Are there more lives saved by gun toting average joe's saving
>the day than there are deaths from guns misused?


You bet. Firearms are used to commit as many as 650,000 crimes each year. But firearms are also used to prevent crimes as many as one million times each year. In fact, criminals are three times more likely to be killed by armed victims who resist them than by the police. Would tougher gun control laws make our lives safer when criminals will NOT abide by those laws?

  

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#46. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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I am not disputing your claims, but could you please provide us with a source for your statistics?

Thanks

  

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#19. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Pete - read some psychology. Check out things like thresholds. Firearms do facilitate not only the amount of killing, but also the propensity to kill.

The threshold is much lower to kill at a distance than up-close-and-personal. There is a considerable psychological barrier to cross here, even in the presence of a desire to kill. The desire has to be greater to kill with a close-quarters weapon.

I am sorry you feel my response is "infantile" - too bad yours is merely uneducated, knee-jerk reaction! You trot out the samed tired crap that the NRA wants everybody to believe.

Quote:
I guess that's simply beyond your comprehension


What is beyond my comprehension is how you can be such an ass, yet also be concerned about civil liberties.

  

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>
>too bad yours
>is merely uneducated, knee-jerk reaction! You trot out the
>samed tired crap that the NRA wants everybody to believe.
>
JR - Yes, the N.R.A has a terrible proclivity to get their facts straight - that's why they want people to believe it.
>
>What is beyond my comprehension is how you can be such an ass,
>yet also be concerned about civil liberties.
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I'm in my polite phase right now. Pete

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JohnnyRebSun Feb-25-07 07:47 PM
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#28. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Yes, the N.R.A has a terrible proclivity to get their facts straight - that's why they want people to believe it.


Yes, in much the same way the Tobacco Institute got its facts straight. Questionable research ethics financed through generous contributions, and supported with an equally generous amount of poor statistical methods.

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#20. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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All that "banning" laws do is dis-arm law-abiding citizens, tilting the advantage in favor of law-breakers


Yep. That's right. And that is why gun crime is so high in Europe. Thankfully in America the fact that the populace is armed deters such horrible things.

  

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#21. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Is this sarcasm? Aren't Europeans unarmed? Is crime really high in Europe?

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#22. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Yep. Sarcasm.

But actually Europeans are not unarmed (especially in the Balkans... and of course it varies from country to country) but gun ownership is far less prevalent.

Most have strict laws regulating ownership, but most (all?) DO allow weapons for hunting and recreational (read membership in a gun club) shooting.

  

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#24. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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So the majority of Europeans are unarmed yet crime is significantly lower than in the US where we are "gun toting maniacs"?

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#23. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Is this sarcasm?
Of course it is.

  

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#26. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Yes I'm sure it was sarcasm. The US has the highest murder rate of any western nation, and most of our murders are the result of gunfire. I think many of those murders would not occur if more decent people were also armed. An armed society is a polite society, criminals think twice about attacking an armed victim. Until you can reliably eliminate armed criminals, it is counterproductive to require unarmed citizens, unable to protect themselves and others.

This is not to say that ownership of guns is the reason for the above situation. We are a young and large country. Though we are largely of European decent, our history of having to extend the rule of law during the time when guns were the weapon of choice shaped our views. Had we tamed our nation with swords, or spears, we might have a different view.

Most nations had an armed citizenry but the weapons were mostly those that were less lethal at long range. Most disputes were settled with the sword or knife, in close "wet work".

I support the right to own guns set down in our Constitution. There have always been the crazies who were unfit to be trusted with lethal weapons, and this used to be controlled by decent armed citizens, today we try to control it with laws. We no longer settle things with a duel.

I think sensible laws to attempt to keep guns out of the hands of those who can not be trusted, and to limit the types of weapons in general circulation are reasonable.

I believe that:

1. Any sane, honest, citizen should be allowed to own guns.
2, All guns should be registered.
3. All gun owners should be trained in their use, and the laws of use.
4. Citizens should be able to get a license to carry with additional training.
5. Any person using a gun in other than defense, sport, or hunting should lose the right to own or use a gun for life.
6. Weapons designed for combat should not be legal. No private citizen needs a machine gun, bazooka, grenade launcher, howitzer, etc to protect himself or home.
7. Ammunition designed specifically for penetrating body armor, or
exploding on contact, should be restricted.

These days I own no guns, I have no need for them yet to protect myself, though if I live much longer that may change. I have been well trained in self defense at government expense. As long ago as high school I owned target rifles, and shot competitively. I belonged to the NRA until the loonies took it over. That's my two cents worth.

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#27. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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I think many of those murders would not occur if more decent people were also armed.


That is a topic of endless debate with evidence pointing both ways - almost none of it statistically significant.

Studies do show that, while many factors influence violence, the one factor which looms like a giant over all the others is poverty. In other words - controlling guns is fine and good, but if we are really serious about violence, the place to invest is in social inequality.

But lacking that, I agree on all of your points except RTC laws.

  

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#29. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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You're from Sweden? Living in Sweden?

And you really think you have either a clue or a right to an opinion on what should be going on or done in the United States?
What a tremendous waste of time and effort you've been (but not anymore).

The only thing that made me look was your bleeding-heart liberal comments about how we should "look to the social in-equality aspect" (paraphrasing) to solve the problem - I'd been wondering what anyone with the nic "JohnnyReb" would be doing posting what you have - now I know.

lol! Now it's actually kind of funny! Pete

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#30. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Pete - judging from your past posts about illegal immigrants I understand that you are a xenophobic moron (look it up in the dictionary).

I may LIVE in Sweden. My passport says I was born in Chicago. I am registered to vote in Virginia where I also own property. Your last comment takes EVERY LAST BIT OF CREDIBILITY away from you. I pay taxes as well... to the United States.

Even if I WAS Swedish, does that make my opinion of less worth? IN your pathetic little world it does. Sorry Paul and all the rest of you foreigners, "Spy1" doesn't think you are worthy.

EDIT: By the way - it is "inequality" not "in-equality" you fool. And I was citing research results, not my own "bleeding heart" opinions.

EDIT 2: Removed irrelevant boasting about size of tax payments.

  

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#31. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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lol! Let's go back to that "let's help the poor,poor, pitiful illegal aliens" remark! I'm still chuckling!

And speaking of Mr. High-and-Mighty-Wealthy-Person - excuse a poor working stiff like me for having any opinions at all.

You're absolutely right about the way I feel about non-American citizens attempting to mold opinion/dictate policy on American issues. Let them cope with their own problems.

PS - I don't have to look things up, YonnyRip! <g> Pete

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#32. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;amp;amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;amp;amp;quot; Ban"
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You are a joke.

  

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#33. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;amp;amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;amp;amp;quot; Ban"
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Anyone is entitled to express their opinion here. Any American should appreciate that, it's what we are all about. Also everyone has a right to agree or disagree with any opinion expressed here. Who would want it any other way.

Shelly

  

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#34. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;amp;amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;amp;amp;quot; Ban"
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Why do you end your post with Pete? Aren't you:spy1
Name Steven Yevchak
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And did you contribute a pic to the Collage?

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#35. "RE: H.R. 1022 - Assault Weapon Ban"
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His middle name is Peter. Thus Steven Peter Yevchak, or SPY1.

Jim.

  

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#36. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;amp;amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;amp;amp;quot; Ban"
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Yes he did contribute to the collage.

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#38. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;amp;amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;amp;amp;quot; Ban"
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You're absolutely right about the way I feel about non-American citizens attempting to mold opinion/dictate policy on American issues. Let them cope with their own problems.


But, you see, as long as America insists on telling us foreign fools what's good for us, and then, all too often, acting like the proverbial five-hundred-pound gorilla when we choose to differ, perhaps concerning ourselves solely with own problems is a luxury we cannot afford. We may be ill-informed, but we are not yet suicidal.

Don't you think that as far as this subject is concerned you are a being a little like the kettle that calls the pot black? Seems to me, your nerve is only exceeded by your hubris.

And why Johnny felt it necessary to explain his credentials to you escapes me. He does a super-articulate job of presenting and defending his so-called "bleeding heart liberal" opinions, and neither he or anyone else here, should feel the need to preface an argument, or to defend it after the fact, with a list of their bona fides.

  

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#37. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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To return to the actual subject of this thread, am I right in assuming that an "assault weapon" is a military weapon or near variation on it? As stated many times before I'm against allowing the civilian population to own guns except for competitive and hunting purposes (when registered use would be allowed) in this country HOWEVER I do recognise that the situation in the USA is different. For generations the general population has been allowed to own guns for other purposes and there is obviously no going back on that but why is there a need for them to own military style weapons now?

  

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#39. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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Actually, the assault weapon thing is a charade. As long as the assault weapons are not fully automatic fire, like a machine gun, it is just another rifle, though more ugly looking. It is illegal to own or sell a fully automatic gun in the US, without a special collectors permit.. The rule is one trigger pull, one round fired. Of course, some assault weapons sold legally can be modified for automatic fire, but that in itself is a crime.

Shelly

  

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#40. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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Spy1 has got it right.

Every time anti-gun laws are enacted, only the law abiding citizen obeys them. The criminal doesn't have to obey laws. Criminals by definiton are people who don't obey laws.

So who are the laws being written for? That's easy. They are being written to make it harder for the honest law abiding citizen to own a firearm.

Anytime you have someone wanting stricter laws against guns, you also have a person who would take away your right to vote, or even to speak out against them, and those they represent.

Make no mistake, it isn't about guns, it is about control.

Hauxfan!

  

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#42. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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Quote:
Anytime you have someone wanting stricter laws against guns, you also have a person who would take away your right to vote, or even to speak out against them, and those they represent.


That is way overstated. It is possible for reasonable people to disagree without demonising those you don't agree with.

Shelly

  

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#50. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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>

Quote:
Anytime you have someone wanting stricter laws
>against guns, you also have a person who would take away your
>right to vote, or even to speak out against them, and those
>they represent.
>

>
>That is way overstated. It is possible for reasonable people
>to disagree without demonising those you don't agree with.


I'm not so sure about that. Rosie O'Donnel would take away your guns, but allow her bodyguards to carry them. It's the elitist attitude that brought our ancestors to leave England to start this country. Only the King and his cronies could have firearms. We are citizens in this country as long as we have the right to own firearms.

Once that right is taken away we are SUBJECTS, so he's not so far off the mark.

  

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#52. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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I clearly stated my views on this subject above in post 26. I have no intention of arguing about it with people who think as you seem to. You see everything in black and white, carrying water for the NRA, which was once an honorable organization. In short, I am too old and have too little time left to waste it.

Shelly

  

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#57. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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I know people that have M-14s and use them for deer hunting it is a 7.62 round or you can use .308 rounds. It is a very accurate weapon up to 500 hundred yards, So is the M1 garand which uses a 30.06 round. Some would consider these to be assault rifles I do not.

I spent 23 years of my life defending the constitution with weapons like those mentioned above. I will fight for anyone’s right to speak whether I like what they say. I wonder how many that believes in Gun Control or political correctness would fight for my points of view.

To the American in Sweden if it is so great there give up your citizenship and become Swedish. If that happens you will not have to pay US taxes. I do not think anyone can name a western country that gives you the freedoms that the United States does.

  

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#49. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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>To return to the actual subject of this thread, am I right in
>assuming that an "assault weapon" is a military weapon or near
>variation on it? As stated many times before I'm against
>allowing the civilian population to own guns except for
>competitive and hunting purposes (when registered use would be
>allowed) in this country HOWEVER I do recognise that the
>situation in the USA is different. For generations the general
>population has been allowed to own guns for other purposes and
>there is obviously no going back on that but why is there a
>need for them to own military style weapons now?
>
>


A true assault weapon is one like our military uses, one capable of full automatic fire (pull the trigger and hold it and it keeps firing) or capable of three round bursts (one trigger pull releases three bullets)

Military "style" weapons only LOOK like military rifles, but are made to fire only one bullet with each pull of the trigger. They are semi-automatic weapons, in that they fire one round, the bolt goes back, then forward, and loads another round. The trigger must be pulled again for the next bullet to fire. These are what the gun ban people in the US are on about. They LOOK "evil", (the dreaded "black gun")

I own a firearm that "looks" like an AK-47. It was made in Hungary, and it fires one round with each pull of the trigger. (Semi-auto)
It's not bad for accuracy and is fun to take to a rifle range and punch holes in paper targets.

My guns have killed fewer people than Ted Kennedys CAR.



  

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#51. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &amp;quot;Assault Weapon&amp;quot; Ban"
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By the way welcome to the forum. I know where you live, I was behind you at the stop light the other day and you had that big semi hanging in the rear window. Those 30 round clips are sure heavy.

Ed W.

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#44. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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>Write back the next time a loved one of YOURS goes to a
>shopping mall and gets gunned down by someone on a rampage
>with an assault rifle. My guess is that you would rather that
>they had a two-by-four...


Want to tell me exactly what an "assault rifle" is??


And by the way, the shopping mall shooting could have been stopped cold by someone with a concealed firearm, but I'm willing to bet that there were big signs at the mall stating that no concealed weapons were allowed. So of course, the law abiding people who have CCW's did NOT bring them into the mall, leaving the murderous bastard with no regard for the law free to do his damage.

  

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#41. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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What a joke gun control is ! Consider the number of guns,hand and long,that are currently owned by citizens ,for the most part, legal and registered. Probably as many that are not legal and registered as there are legal and registered.

Consider those in gun shops ,and retail stores(Wal Mart ETC) that have not yet been sold.

And of course those being sold with out regard to any kind of control,in flea markets all over the Country.


I own one 38 cal revolver, legally registered, I haven't fired it in 25 years,I don't know ,or do I care how many guns are owned by my neighbors, or anyone else for that matter. I do not believe there will ever be effective gun control,even with another 1000 laws on the books.







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#62. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &quot;Assault Weapon&quot; Ban"
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I would like know how to register a weapon (not called guns in the military). I bought one at a show 10 years ago from a private owner in Ft. Lauderdale. I've been to several indoor ranges and nobody asks any questions. Buy your ammo, pay for your time, then walk out the door when you're finished.

  

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Usually your local sheriff's office answers questions about registration. If that wasn't a tongue in cheek question, call them.



  

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#67. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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I'm going to call Monday morning just to verify that info that NightlyReader gave me is still current.

Thanks to you both.

Robert

  

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nightlyreaderSat Apr-28-07 04:22 AM
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#64. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &quot;Assault Weapon&quot; Ban"
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Quote:
QUOTE:
I would like know how to register a weapon (not called guns in the military). I bought one at a show 10 years ago from a private owner in Ft. Lauderdale. I've been to several indoor ranges and nobody asks any questions. Buy your ammo, pay for your time, then walk out the door when you're finished.


Depending on where you live, registering the weapon may not be required. Licensing you to carry is another issue. The link below should explain the details.

http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/

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Thank you.

  

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#53. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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http://www.texashuntfish.com/flexiforums/file_uploads/GunControlWitness.wmv

  

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#54. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Good post.

  

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ylen13Mon Mar-05-07 04:47 AM
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#55. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &quot;Assault Weapon&quot; Ban"
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Mon Mar-05-07 04:47 AM by ylen13

          

thank you for posting this, i will make sure to contact the author of the bill and give my support for this important issue

  

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spy1Tue Apr-17-07 03:51 PM
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#56. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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(My apologies to those of you who think this isn't the right time to post this - I think it is).

The Brady Campaign has already jumped on the shootings in Virginia to push their assault weapon ban - now they want it expanded to include ALL "semi-automatic"/ "high-capacity" weapons. (Just saw it on CNN this morning - http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2693358n ).

I feel totally sick about the tradgedy in Virginia, but even through that I still realize that more "gun control" is not the answer. There will always be ways for those intent enough on doing harm to do so - and any one or a multitude of laws won't change that.

If you haven't already joined a pro-gun organization, you need to seriously think about doing so, because the backlash from this is going to be tremendous - and politician's are more than willing to do anything under pressure - even if it's wrong .

If you're not going to join a pro-gun organization, then you really need to let your Senator's and Representatives know (by phone, FAX or email) that you do not want more gun control - and that you definitely do not want the new assault weapon bill passed.

My and my wife's heart and prayers go out to both the survivor's and the families of those who didn't make it. Pete

And this is the FAX I just sent to BOTH my Senators and my Representative (feel free to use it yourself if you feel the same way):

"Please do NOT use the Virginia shootings as an excuse to be pressured into passing more restrictive anti-gun laws

And do NOT let the gun-haters pressure you into doing so, either.

While a tragedy of the greatest proportion, the shootings in Virginia could NOT have been prevented by more restrictive laws – simply witness the fact that the guns were in the possession of a foreign national student – who should never have had access to them to begin with given current law.

I know you will be called upon to DO something about this – but further restricting and eroding our Second Amendment rights is NOT the answer.

Please bare in mind that – had not the University fought so hard to defeat the right of legitimate concealed carry weapons holders to carry their guns on campus ( http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/va_tech_official_praised_defea.php ) - this situation MIGHT have either never occurred at all, or could have been much more limited in scope.

PLEASE reason through this instead of letting your emotions or outside special-interest pressure dictate your course of action.

Thank you for listening – and believe me, this is one of the most difficult letters I’ve ever had to write to you.

But it needed to be said.

(Signed)

  

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spy1Thu Apr-26-07 05:30 PM
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#58. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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G.O.A Alert -

"...
He told O'Reilly on Monday that while he and Rep. McCarthy had
previously worked together on this legislation, he now wants Congress
to take up HR 297 quickly. "The Brady Law is a reasonable
limitation," Schumer said. "Some might disagree with me, but
I think
certain kinds of licensing and registration is a reasonable
limitation. We do it for cars."

Get the picture? First, he wants the Brady Law strengthened with the
McCarthy-Dingell-Schumer legislation. Then it's off to pass more gun
control -- treating guns like cars, where all gun owners are licensed
and where bureaucrats will have a wonderful confiscation list.

In the O'Reilly interview, Schumer showed his hand when he revealed
the strategy for this bill. Because it could become such a hot
potato -- thanks to your efforts -- Senator Schumer is pushing to get
this bill passed by Unanimous Consent in the Senate, which basically
means that the bill would get passed WITHOUT A VOTE.

This is a perfect way to pass gun control without anyone getting
blamed... or so they think."

You need to - at the very least - go here: http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm and c&p and FAX that letter to your Rep. and both of your Congressmen/women.

Then you need to personally CALL them and express your feelings about this.

This is not a joke - it's an emergency.

DO it. Pete

"When fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

  

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#59. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Once again you demonstrate your monumental ignorance of our government!

"unanimous consent - A Senator may request unanimous consent on the floor to set aside a specified rule of procedure so as to expedite proceedings. If no Senator objects, the Senate permits the action, but if any one Senator objects, the request is rejected. Unanimous consent requests with only immediate effects are routinely granted, but ones affecting the floor schedule, the conditions of considering a bill or other business, or the rights of other Senators, are normally not offered, or a floor leader will object to it, until all Senators concerned have had an opportunity to inform the leaders that they find it acceptable."
-United States Senate Guide

Shelly

  

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spy1Fri Apr-27-07 02:17 PM
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#60. "RE: H.R. 1022 - &quot;Assault Weapon&quot; Ban"
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Fri Apr-27-07 10:35 PM by spy1

          

Oh really.

And what if the anti-gunners wait until there aren't any pro-gun Representatives around in the chamber to try this crap?

If you'll remember, the patriot act almost got passed by unanimous consent - and would have been if Feingold hadn't spoken up.

( http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/usapatriot/ "Extensive and hurried negotiation in the Senate resulted in a bipartisan bill, stripped of many of the concessions won by Sen. Leahy. Senator Thomas Daschle, the majority leader, sought unanimous consent to pass the proposal without debate or amendment; Senator Russ Feingold was the only member to object."

It can happen - to claim it can't shows your stupidity (and gullibility). Pete

"When fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

  

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ShellyFri Apr-27-07 03:18 PM
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#61. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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In the first place, I am no "anti gun nut"

And in the second place, I have no intention if engaging in a battle of wits with an obviously unarmed man.

Shelly

  

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spy1Sat Apr-28-07 04:04 PM
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#66. "RE: H.R. 1022 - "Assault Weapon" Ban"
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Keep believing that, Shelly.

There are literally hundreds of Representatives who would love nothing more than to not have to cast a vote on this thing, so that their stand (vote) won't have to go down on a voting record.

Add to that the fact of the many Dems who absolutely do want this to pass - in any way they can get it passed.

All they have to do is wait for the right time to make it happen.

If everyone available doesn't contact their Reps and let them know that they're not going to stand for complicit silence from any of them on this.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

How very, very true. Pete

  

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