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LilJoeFri Apr-02-04 03:57 AM
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"GUN REFRESHER COURSE"


  

          



1. An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Glock: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it is about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you do not know your rights, you do not have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The second Amendment is in place, in case they ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns have only two enemies: rust and liberals.

15. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

16. You do not shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control--it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, do not make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

26. "...A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

LilJoe

  

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A hypothetical thought, Noreen
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EthanFri Apr-02-04 04:27 AM
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#1. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
In response to LilJoe (Reply # 0)


  

          

cute, scary, idiotic but CUTE.

Ethan

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"Why shouldn't the American people take half my money from me? I took it all from them." - Edward Filene

  

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YarddaawgFri Apr-02-04 04:41 AM
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#2. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>cute, scary, idiotic but CUTE.
>
>Ethan

I disagree!

That's the Truth.

Yarddaawg

"Only two things are infinite, the universe
and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
(1879-1955

  

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RETSFCLFri Apr-02-04 04:57 AM
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#3. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I agree also. Use a couple of those everyday in my e-mail signature. They are the truth.

  

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vitaltFri Apr-02-04 05:00 AM
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#4. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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had a coworker tell me just this evening.."People shouldnt own guns" i told him "try and take mine"

Vitalt

  

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MykFri Apr-02-04 06:16 AM
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#5. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Guns are as responsible for crimes as spoons are for making Rosie O'Donnel fat.

The final straw of the American Revolution was gun control.
I've been watching a lot of Civil War documentaries lately. One said casualties were higher than all other wars combined.
I wonder if pushing us into another civil war is really what the gun control crowd wants or if they are just too stupid to realize the outcome of their actions.

  

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npmclFri Apr-02-04 08:59 AM
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#6. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
In response to LilJoe (Reply # 0)
Fri Apr-02-04 09:00 AM by npmcl

  

          

Surely it's because you live in a gun culture that you need guns to protect yourselves. We don't so we don't and we aren't slaves nor are the citizens of many other gun-controlled countries.

  

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Mojo2000Fri Apr-02-04 10:34 AM
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#7. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Sadly, there are bits of truth in all of these posts. I'm just glad I don't have to live in the midst of such obsession. And yes, I am thankful to all those who make this situation possible (and those who think they made this situation possible, so long as they don't expect me to get on my knees and grovel).

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KevinRFri Apr-02-04 11:53 AM
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#8. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Right on, Noreen.

I'm proud NOT to own a gun here in Canada.

Not a slave to the 6 shooter...






The more you arm, the more the enemy arms...
... doesn't anyone clue in to this ???

  

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OldRayFri Apr-02-04 12:04 PM
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#9. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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If you feel that way, Kevin and Maureen, stick with it. No one should be required to own arms.

I am armed; no apologies, no guilt.

Ray

  

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#10. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Truthfully, I hope all of you who DON'T own guns never have occasion to need them.

My personal experience has been that a handgun has saved my wife's life once, and my life once.

On neither occasion was it necessary to FIRE the weapon (thank you, Jesus) - there is a split-second when the aggressor looks down the barrel, hears the click of the hammer going back or the safety coming off and - decides that THEY want to live (especially after looking into either set of eyes on the business-end of the pistol and seeing THEIR fear and determination to stay alive).

I hope it NEVER comes to such a situation for you - but I can guarantee you that if such a life-or-death situation ever DOES come your way and you DON'T have a weapon, it may be your LAST regret. Pete

  

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waldoFri Apr-02-04 03:24 PM
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#11. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Fri Apr-02-04 03:26 PM by waldo

  

          

Pete, I think thats your first post you have ever made that I agree with 100%. I always read your posts (and appreciate them) but usually don't agree with everything, just a lot of it. All good info though just to know...........waldo
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npmclFri Apr-02-04 05:00 PM
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#12. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I understand that it maybe necessary for many Americans to own a gun now for their protection, leaving aside the pathetic idiots who enjoy the power that owning guns give them. To me it seems a sad condition for any country to be in and trust that we will never allow legal ownership of guns here because once allowed there is no going back.

  

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#13. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I hope it NEVER comes to such a situation for you - but I can guarantee you that if such a life-or-death situation ever DOES come your way and you DON'T have a weapon, it may be your LAST regret. Pete

I disagree. The gun control argument isn't about guns or personal safety, it's about personal choice. People who feel a gun makes them safer want the right to make that choice unencumbered. My weapon of choice is by brain, the one thing they can't take away from me.

  

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KevinRSun Apr-04-04 03:10 PM
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#45. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I am unarmed...

No NEED for apologies... No NEED for guilt...

  

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nightlyreaderSun Apr-04-04 03:19 PM
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#48. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>I am unarmed...
>
>No NEED for apologies... No NEED for guilt...

It makes a difference if it is by choice or not.

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AlFri Apr-02-04 05:47 PM
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#14. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Noreen,

"1. An armed person is a citizen. An unarmed person is a subject." is the one that applies to United Kingdom subjects.



  

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npmclFri Apr-02-04 09:44 PM
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#15. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
In response to Al (Reply # 14)
Fri Apr-02-04 10:08 PM by npmcl

  

          

Absolute rubbish! An armed person is a person who lives in a society where arms appear to be necessary for a law-abiding citizen to live in safety in their own home, we don't and I know which I prefer. I feel sorry for the people who have to live in such conditions.

As far as the completely illogical point that you are trying to make is concerned, we have been CITIZENS of the United Kingdom since 1948.

  

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vitaltFri Apr-02-04 10:38 PM
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#16. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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The right to bear arms has absolutely nothing to do with living in safety from criminal elements,although it is a good deterent.A person can easily be dispatched with the bare hand if need be.This is not a land of terror some people think it is.The News Media distort it quite a bit.Some larger cities have crime issues but there are many places that you can still leave the door unlocked without anyone bothering a thing.

Vitalt

  

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#18. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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:) Good thoughts. My 357 has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.

  

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#19. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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> Good thoughts. My 357 has killed less people
>than Ted Kennedy's car.

Hey Mardon,do you still load your own ?

LilJoe

  

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AlSat Apr-03-04 12:46 AM
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#22. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Uh-huh...

That's why if you have a child outside of the United Kingdom with a non-citizen, it is up to the government whether that child is entitled to the "priviledge" of citizenship (the language used by the UK regarding citizenship).

You're subjects. You just don't like to admit it.



  

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npmclSat Apr-03-04 08:57 AM
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#24. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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From a government website.......

"The British Nationality Act of 1981 abolished the 1948 definition of British citizenship and replaced it with three categories: British citizenship, citizenship of British dependent territories, and British overseas citizenship. Of these, only British citizenship provides the right to live in the UK. Today, British citizenship can be acquired by birth (if at the time of birth either parent is a British citizen settled in the UK), descent (for a person born abroad, if either parent is a British citizen at the time of birth) or naturalisation. The latter is at the discretion of the Home Secretary and is dependent on criteria such as residence, language, employment and good character."

I can see no logical reason that the ownership of guns has any connection with a person's national status. You appear to be inferring that those citizens of countries that do not allow the owning of guns by private individuals are in some way inferior to those of countries that do.

  

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#25. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I believe he means ...not inferior...Just not as free...if a government has all the weapons, whats to stop them from doing whatever they want to the population?If the population is armed you wont find a government official thinking about ruling.
Vitalt

  

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AlSat Apr-03-04 01:10 PM
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#26. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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In other words, British "citizens" are beholden to the government for their status. Sounds like subjects to me.



  

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#30. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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"British citizenship can be acquired by birth (if at the time of birth either parent is a British citizen settled in the UK), descent (for a person born abroad, if either parent is a British citizen at the time of birth)..." Isn't that the way that American citizenship is acquired?

"...or naturalisation. The latter is at the discretion of the Home Secretary and is dependent on criteria such as residence, language, employment and good character." Does the American government not use its discretion regarding those who ask for naturalisation? It would be very foolish if it didn't.

I just don't support the theory that it's necessary for the citizens of a democracy to own weapons to ensure that their elected government rules them in a democratic manner. Have you no faith in your system?

  

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#35. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Absolute Power corrupts absolutely... and as far as trusting government thats one reason people use...Some of us have been around guns since we could crawl and we dont fear them like those that have not.We respect their force and understand its a people problem not a gun problem when it comes to crime.

as far as trusting our government... I am sworn to defend The Constitution Of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic...

Vitalt

  

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AlSun Apr-04-04 02:59 AM
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#39. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>"British citizenship can be acquired by birth (if at the time
>of birth either parent is a British citizen settled in the
>UK), descent (for a person born abroad, if either parent is a
>British citizen at the time of birth)..." Isn't that the way
>that American citizenship is acquired?


I know 3 children who were denied citizenship within the last couple of years. All have one parent who is a British citizen.

Subjects.



  

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AlSun Apr-04-04 09:07 AM
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#42. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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http://popularmechanics.com/outdoors/opinion/2004/1/standing_guard/



  

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#43. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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"The surviving burglars were in and out of jail within months, even though they had racked up more than 80 lifetime arrests and convictions. The criminal Tony Martin wounded was even consulted by authorities regarding Martin's parole, and given £5000 in taxpayer legal aid to sue Martin. Worst of all, the government opposed Tony Martin's ultimate release--after 36 months in prison--because they said he posed "a danger to burglars."

What a nightmare.

  

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#47. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>"The surviving burglars were in and out of jail within
>months, even though they had racked up more than 80 lifetime
>arrests and convictions. The criminal Tony Martin wounded was
>even consulted by authorities regarding Martin's parole, and
>given £5000 in taxpayer legal aid to sue Martin. Worst of all,
>the government opposed Tony Martin's ultimate release--after
>36 months in prison--because they said he posed "a danger to
>burglars."

>
>What a nightmare.
What I can not comprehend it the fact that some people really think "To Hell with the Tony Martins of the world. We've gotta ban guns, no matter what."

Nightly Reader

  

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#53. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>http://popularmechanics.com/outdoors/opinion/2004/1/standing_guard/

Al- Thanks for that link. I had forgotten that that thing (the assault weapons ban) was due to automatically sunset on Sept. 13 of this year - I'm going to make sure that the privacy organizations I utilize get reminded about it, too (they may want to create an "Action" item about it). pete

  

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#46. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Noreen,

You are trying you get throught to very closed-minded people here. I admire your fortitude... but it will be fruitless, if the past is any indicator. Good luck !!!

  

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#49. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>Noreen,
>
>You are trying you get throught to very closed-minded people
>here. I admire your fortitude... but it will be fruitless, if
>the past is any indicator. Good luck !!!
>
>
I thought it was the other way around.

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#50. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Sorry... you are mistaken...

  

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#51. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>
>Sorry... you are mistaken...

I don't own a gun, nor would I ever again, yet, I am a firm supporter of the 2nd Amendment.

  

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#52. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>
>Sorry... you are mistaken...

Yeah, you're right. I know it's the other way around.

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OldRaySun Apr-04-04 07:06 PM
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#54. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Ohh, right. As an anti-gun zealot, the moral high ground is yours.

Good luck in the real world, you may be a victim waiting trouble to come to you.

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KevinRSun Apr-04-04 08:15 PM
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#55. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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... and as a pro-gun zealot, you have the NRA to fight all of your battles with their extremely strong lobby.

Go, Mr. Heston, Go... what a joke...

I've managed to life a wonderful life with very little gun exposure, to this point. That is my choice.

If you choose to arm yourself with weapons of personal mass destruction, by all means... go ahead.

My original point was that, when you arm, the "enemy" arms even more strongly. Unfortunately, I see this as affecting me, as I find it less and less safe to walk the streets at night. And this is in Canada, where the general population isn't concerned with stocking up on ammo on the weekend.

You think that you are protecting yourselves by having guns. I think you are blind. My opinion... Flame away, sarge...

  

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#58. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Mr. Heston? So not only are you an anti-right zealot, you're an uninformed anti-right zealot.

"My original point was that, when you arm, the "enemy" arms even more strongly. Unfortunately, I see this as affecting me, as I find it less and less safe to walk the streets at night. And this is in Canada, where the general population isn't concerned with stocking up on ammo on the weekend."

So your original point is pointless. Canada, where just like England, after you restrict the arms the law abiding have, the lawless are free to do as they please.
If your original point had a point, crime would go down where guns are restricted. But the fact is that crime goes up when guns are restricted. Crime goes down when the law abiding are free to have guns.

  

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#59. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Logic and cause and effect, Myk? You know reason doesn't work with these people.

Of course, I have to wonder what it says about the psychology of someone who is so afraid of an inanimate object.



  

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#60. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I think Ronald Reagan would disagree with you.

Oh, and "Weapons of Personal Mass Destruction" is an interesting line. I know some Hutu and a Canadian General that could convince you that guns are no more lethal than a machete.

  

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OldRayMon Apr-05-04 02:33 AM
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#61. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Well, let's see. First; no pro-gun zealot, me. Nor, I suspect are most of the posters here. I am a pro individual rights "zealot", and that happens to include the right to keep and bear arms.

"Weapons of personal mass destruction" Pure hyperbole!

You find it less safe to walk the streets at night. The kind of scum on those streets prey only on the weak and defenceless. I chose to be neither.

Lastly for now, I've known many sergeants, nearly all a credit to their home countries (including Canada and the UK). But you may address me as "Sir".

No more communications from me on this. Dialog is obviously useless, and I wouldn't waste a match, let alone a real flame.

Ray

  

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#63. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Agree to disagree, "Sir"

  

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#20. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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That's what a lot of your people who are against guns claim. But your news media is reporting otherwise.

Our crime is the worst in the areas that have gun bans. Just like yours, the criminals seek out those who can't protect themselves.

Below you say,
"I understand that it maybe necessary for many Americans to own a gun now for their protection, leaving aside the pathetic idiots who enjoy the power that owning guns give them."

I really have little need for a gun for my protection, especially since I no longer work in a store, but it is nice to have them here in case I ever do need them. But generally I try to avoid areas where I would need them, plus it would be illegal for me to take one with me to those areas.

But, I enjoy shooting as a sport. So where does that leave me in your nice little box? Does that make me a power freak because I like to punch holes in paper at long distances?

  

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#21. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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You bet Lil Joe--Running some 45 ACPs now. Give granbet a hug from us.
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#32. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Myk, It's the posters in this thread and other similar threads who state that they need guns for their personal safety or to ensure their government governs democratically that my answers are addressed to, I'm not referring to hunters or sportsmen who use guns.

  

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#33. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Sat Apr-03-04 11:16 PM by hal9000

          


"Myk, It's the posters in this thread and other similar
threads who state that they need guns for their personal
safety or to ensure their government governs democratically
that my answers are addressed to..."

How ironic Noreen, private gun ownership in America is a result of the hard pressed tyranny of the British imposed on American citizens forcing our colonists to form armed militias to fight invading British forces.

Besides 911, the only other time the contiguous US has been directly attacked was when the British seized our cargoes, entered Washington and set fire to the White House and the Capitol. At the very least, the fanatic insistence of Americans on the right to bear arms is symbolic of American independence from British oppression and tyranny.

  

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#40. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Dang, HAL, we agree again...



  

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#41. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>Dang, HAL, we agree again...






  

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MykSun Apr-04-04 02:09 AM
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#37. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I'm still trying to figure out, "the pathetic idiots who enjoy the power that owning guns give them".

I know a huge guy in a CCW state. He likes to fight (or at least he did when I was last around him). Yet when he goes to an area where he'll likely get into a fight he leaves his gun at home. Most people with legal guns are like that. A gun doesn't give them power, it gives them responsibility.

Maybe you're talking about the criminals with guns. Those are the only ones I know of that fit that description.

  

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AlMon Apr-05-04 11:40 AM
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#62. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Isn't it interesting that the First World nation that the UN states has the highest rate of violent crime is:














the United Kingdom.



Boy, gun control must really work...



  

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#64. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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:evilgrin:



  

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#65. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Vatican City has the highest crime rate in the World. Go figure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2639777.stm

But we are talking mainly non-violent crime. I think that the US would probably lead the World in Murder rates, that is in the Western World.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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#66. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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"US probably leads the (western) world"; seems likely.

However, it annoys the hell out of me that the massive numbers used by the anti-gun lobby have no true count to back them up and seem equally likely to be inflated. And even more annoying is how the liberal news media accept those numbers as 'gospel".

Ray

  

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#67. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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The UK leads the world (first world nations) in violent crime. That is according to the UN. The problem with murder rates is that different countries count them different ways.



  

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#28. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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>Surely it's because you live in a gun culture that you need
>guns to protect yourselves. We don't so we don't and we aren't
>slaves nor are the citizens of many other gun-controlled
>countries.
Just to satisfy my curiosity, what exactly does one do in your country under the following scenario? It's two in the morning, when three thugs with knives and pipes break into your house and have you and your wife cornered in the bedroom. I know what happens over here.

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#31. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Unfortunately I do, too. Most of the time your obituary is in the next days paper.



  

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#38. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Easy, they do like any person or animal would do, defend themselves if they can. Then if they were successful the government throws them in jail for longer than they do the criminals.
It's not civilized to defend yourself.

  

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#17. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Interesting that this is posted on the eve of the new Concealed Carry law going into effect in Ohio. http://www.ag.state.oh.us/web_applications/concealcarry/About.asp

  

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#23. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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Gun control is not about guns; it is about control
Absolutely... Much easier to subdue any disagreements when you hold all the aces.

I still believe the worst problem facing gun owners are people that don't take the responsiblity of taking care of and maintaining their discipline, or keep a healthy respect the weapons.

  

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#27. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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The original post reflects an attitude expected in the USA: mutual deterrence. I am not passing any kind of judgement on that; it's just a neutral observation. If the atmosphere creates a kind of lasting peace, well then, so be it. If it creates a perpetual escalation, that's another matter.

The usual expectations about people and how they react (either armed with their own weapons or unarmed facing other people's weapons) will vary widely according to geography and history. Africa and the Middle East should be clear examples of that.

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#29. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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There was a bumper sticker that I got a chuckle from some time back.

It showed a picture of a target viewed through a 'scope, with multiple bullet-holes through the "X" ring.

The caption read: "GUN CONTROL - Being able to consistently put your rounds HERE".

Amen. Pete

  

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#34. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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What does an occupying force do first when they take control of a country? That's right folks. Institute gun control. Why? So the citizens of the country can't fight back. Hilter did it, the USA has done it. Enough said.

  

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#36. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I have owned a weapon since I was 16 years old. I will NEVER give up any weapons I own.

I have carried a pistol with me for the last 20 years and thank God every day I have never had to use it. Yes I was breaking the law by carrying concealed, but at least I was ready for whatever

Now in a few weeks I will be allowed to carry my pistol legal here in Ohio, and again I will pray every day I never have to use it.

  

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#56. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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"...Now in a few weeks I will be allowed to carry my pistol legal here in Ohio..."


Now that's what I call progress...

  

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MykSun Apr-04-04 11:48 PM
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#57. "RE: GUN REFRESHER COURSE"
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I take it you're being your typical sarcastic self on this issue, afraid to say what you mean.

Yes, it is progress. Giving or giving back rights is always progress. But I realize you have a problem with that concept.

  

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#44. "A hypothetical thought, Noreen"
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How would William the Duke of Normandy have fared if there had been guns in those days? First, if the Angles, Saxon, Picts, etc. had guns, and second if they didn't?

As I read it, he enacted a pretty brutal takeover; only benefiting himself and the Norman thugs he brought with him. I believe the first thing they did was disarm (swords, etc.) the natives.

Seem silly to you? What happened once could happen again, and almost did in 1940.

If I seem to be tweaking you, its because the supercilious sense of moral superiority of the anti-gun crowd to be annoying.

Ray

  

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