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GroganFri May-10-02 05:44 AM
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"Some of you are getting your wish..."


  

          

I have been doing a considerable amount of thinking while following up on those posts with Hardware Freek.

I have decided that I am no longer going to do this. It is no longer enjoyable, I no longer have time for it and I need to spend more of my time looking after my own interests instead of spending too much of my time like I have for years, doing this. It used to be because I enjoyed it, but lately it feels purely obligational. Since I no longer get anything out of it (I get paid only in aggravation) it's time for me to stop.

So to those of you with nothing better to do than quote rules and complain if everything said to you isn't sugar coated... enjoy those rules. For I indeed have far more significant things to be doing than "roaming this forum to play the schoolground bully" to quote someone in another thread. It seems I'm doing nothing but causing problems around here lately, which is the last thing I want to do.

To many others, it's been nice knowing you. I really mean that. I will miss all of my friends here. I'll probably drop in again from time to time, but for now, farewell.

To Hardware Freek exclusively: I receive those Administrative Alerts you sent out to the Webmaster regarding mine and Ropera's behaviour, also. You are small minded and have earned my utter contempt. Don't bother to reply, because I won't be coming back any time soon to read this. I wash my hands of you.

Grogan

  

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micksterFri May-10-02 06:03 AM
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#1. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)
Fri May-10-02 06:05 AM

          

I know I'm one of those who's tried your patience and your nerves, but thank you for all you taught me.
I wish you the very best of luck in everything you do!
Thanks Grogan!

  

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tpikdaveFri May-10-02 06:35 AM
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#7. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I realize you must be pretty fed up to let some wussy like that run you off, so I am guessing you just need a break. Take your time, have some fun and relax. Then maybe come back.

  

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Hardware FreekFri May-10-02 06:04 AM

  
#2. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I'm sorry you feel that way, I'm not pushing you out but only ask that you show some respect for others, I have no hard feelings about this. What I will say is that you will be missed but it's your decision at the end of the day.

Hopefully we will see you back soon.

  

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t_bareFri May-10-02 06:31 AM
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#6. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I remember a time when I considered leaving this place, and Grogan was one of the ones who convinced me to stay. I really wish I would have saved his words, but I do know that he spoke up and considering that my decision was over an issue I had with Grogan, I was rather humbled.

So heres what I have to say..

Grogan, I rarely read half your posts. I find most of them abrasive as hell, and you do get on my nerves with your foul mouth and "screw you" attitude.

But this is a computer forum. A place where we come for help.

The one thing nobody here can disagree with is that Grogan knows his stuff. Your knowledge is nothing short of amazing, and many times I have witnessed you coming to the aid of those in need and manage to not only solve their pc issues, but go the extra mile and help them to prevent future issues.

I thought that this was what PC911 was supposed to be about.

I really do hope you reconsider your decision because frankly, it just doesnt matter what I or anyone thinks about you as a person: what matters is that when I come to PC911 for pc help that I get it.

In the past few months we have almost lost Shelly, Marti and a few others.
I rarely see anything from several of those who used to be pillars in this forum, and now, they are gone.


Cmon people.. lets figure out a way to get this place back in order, before all the moderators decide to go.


And Grogan.. I wont beg, but I have always counted on your wisdom.
I really hope you don't go.

t_bare




  

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vitaltFri May-10-02 07:10 AM
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#12. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Another hand has been bitten..

Grogan

Just take the other hand and slap em....i remember once you said to me.."im tired of your shit too vitalt"...and i learned theres a time to keep my big mouth shut.Not long after that you helped me with a problem i had...no grudge was there...i apreciate it.Shelly almost left.Scotterpops,ed,Casca,and many others are not posting anymore or if they do rarely at all.The snide remarks,the insults and harsh words said in the heat of discussion just dont seem to be forgiven by people anymore.Its sad to think that the most knowledgeable people on this forum are slowly being irritated to the point of leaving by petty arguments and the viciousness of others.
Maybe "have tolerance and respact of others" should be words that are included in the rules.Most things said or done to us do not have to be forgotten but should be forgiven.This is Just a little of what ive learned here from PC911...I hope you change your mind.

also been bitten.....but healed nicely...

Thanks for all youve done.






PC911Racing The Gazette BBT Dubbers

Vitalt

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Bob GFri May-10-02 10:14 AM
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#38. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to vitalt (Reply # 12)


  

          

This is just a little of what I've learned here from PC911

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you've learned it well, I'm kind of proud of you (not that you should care.) I used to think you were a real asshole, now I don't. You'd be amazed how seldom I change my mind on this sort of thing.

  

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JoePFri May-10-02 10:44 PM
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#84. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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very nice words Vitalt.

  

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MaggieFri May-10-02 06:45 AM
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#10. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Hardware Freak, We are now loosing one of the most helpful people in this forum. So do you think you know ANYTHING that might be useful to us? Get a life! Grogan has always bent over backwards to help people. I have learned bunches from him. You just take up space.
I won't be subscribing to this post. So just go for it. This is the internet and just because you can get online doesn't really mean you should be. I come here to learn. Not to read threads chastising for bad language or whatever you think is improper behavior.
Well I made it through without cussing. In person I wouldn't. Gee, I hope I didn't hurt your little feelings.

  

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rhbowlerFri May-10-02 08:41 AM
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#25. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I totally agree with you Maggie, and i have read some of HF's so caled "knowledge" if he was half as smart as he thinks he is he would keep his damn mouth shut. Grogan is one of THE most knowledgeable people in this forum, and i could care less if he helps me fix some weird problem i have by tellin me to fix the f'in thing, or any other words he so chooses to use. The key is he DOES help us ALL fix problems and that is THE most important thing here. HF, grow the hell up, or start your own forum, i can see it now, RomperRoomComputerForum, gotta love it. Get yer ass back here Mike, do NOT let this moron chase yer ass away!! Too damn many of us wan, and NEED yer help.


RussH






  

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AlFri May-10-02 08:53 AM
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#28. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Freek,

You're right, you're not pushing Gro out. You're just the last piece of BS to be heaped on my friend. But let me tell you something very clearly. Grogan is worth 100 of you. There are some people who can learn that respect can be held inside disagreements (Hi Nomad), and others who can only see the surface and think they see the whole. You fall in the later category, along with a number of other recent additions to this forum who seem to be mentally unbalanced. If you thought Grogan was rude and abrasive? You haven't had a professional work at it yet. But you will.



  

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doctormidnightFri May-10-02 06:18 AM
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#3. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Then again, some of us are not...the problem is still here.

  

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LilJoeFri May-10-02 06:25 AM
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#4. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

Mike,don't let the new so called freaks get you down.Let them start their forum and see how far they would get.
WE are behind you 100 %.

LilJoe

  

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#5. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)
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Having been around this particular forum for a very short time, it's already obvious your departure will eliminate a considerable amount of knowledge and expertise. Having been a tech forum moderator, I can well understand your decision, but the forum won't be improved by it. I've always felt if you don't agree with, or like, someone's posting style (within bounds of course), simply move on to another thread or post you enjoy. I've read a number of your posts, and have been impressed... your knowledge, and the way you approach things technically, won't be easily replaced. It's a shame some folks don't realize the value you add to the forum way overshadows anything they might not like, or agree with. Cheers for diversity... it has a way of making a forum more interesting and adding to knowledge.

You will definitely be missed (hope you change your mind later).

Randell

  

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MrManFri May-10-02 06:39 AM
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#8. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

Goodbye, Grog. Thanks for the Linux help and fun times at Winmag's_Lounge. I hope you can find some enjoyment in your other activities.

  

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BobGuyFri May-10-02 07:02 AM
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#11. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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All the best Grogan, on whatever you decide to do in the future.

BobGuy©
And the band played on.

  

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SonnyFri May-10-02 06:42 AM
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#9. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

Grogan, I'm with Lil'Joe. We're behind you 100%. I personnaly chuckle at your abrasivenesss and learn from your knowledge. Just because someone had their Cheerios pissed on is more the reason to stay.






  

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Paul DFri May-10-02 07:17 AM
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#14. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I'll second Sonny.

Your posts, while sometimes a bit abrasive, were ALWAYS based on common sense, and IMHO were never harsh without cause.
Your knowledge, particularly of the registry, will be sorely missed (and that's not meant to belittle your knowledge in any other area). I personally found your general outlook on life positively refreshing.

Vale Grogan - all the best in any and everything that awaits you.




Paul D

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jmcFri May-10-02 07:12 AM
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#13. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


          

Your going to be missed. I don't blame you for your decision. If its not fun anymore there is no point in doing it. You where just being you. In all the years I been reading your posts you have always been the same ole grogan. MOVE on and BE well. You where sooo close to 10 grand posts.....shame.

  

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sixpacFri May-10-02 07:37 AM
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#15. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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You will be missed Grogan,I also agree with Lil'Joe
and the others 100%.I hope you change your mind.peace.

  

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#18. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to sixpac (Reply # 15)


  

          

Grogan , I just would like to let you know how much I appreciate your help , and the help of others . I come to this forum for little over one year (since I've bought my first PC ) . I learned a lot more than I thought I ever could. There is a lot of time when I don't know what I'm doing but then I have a place to go to and ask . It gives me a pleasure to learn something new every day . Thank you Grogan Be happy and be safe...and stay a little longer , if you would .
Jane

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dubberFri May-10-02 07:54 AM
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#19. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan has helped me out many times, answering my questions and helping me answer others' questions when I got in over my head.

I guess I am in the minority, because Grogan has always been very pleasant, even nice to me.

Thanks, Grogan.

Come back when you get ready, my friend.










  

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pbeckFri May-10-02 07:46 AM
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#16. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

I don't post alot because all I have to do is read through the problems people post and learn from those who reply. The 2 and a half years that I have been coming to this forum have been like a free college education, and you Grogan have been one of the best professors. I will miss your input and the forum will be less for your leaving. I do wish you would reconsider, the pantywaists and whiners won't last. Even they will grow up eventually and realize that the world is not a perfect place. If you can see no other way, "then go in peace my friend."

  

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Bob GFri May-10-02 07:50 AM
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#17. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, I'll say it clear,
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain.

I've lived a life that's full.
I've traveled each and ev'ry highway;
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I've had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

I planned each charted course;
Each careful step along the byway,
But more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew.
But through it all, when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out.
I faced it all and I stood tall;
And did it my way.

I've loved, I've laughed and cried.
I've had my fill; my share of losing.
And now, as tears subside,
I find it all so amusing.

To think I did all that;
And may I say - not in a shy way,
"No, oh no not me,
I did it my way".

For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!


Thank you, sincerely, for all your help. I hope you find some peace.

  

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NapoleanFri May-10-02 11:24 PM
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#86. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I liked your poetry BobG, it made me cry.

  

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waldoThu May-22-03 01:35 AM
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#129. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I WILL NOT LEAVE PC911....I WILL NOT LEAVE PC911......I WILL NOT LEAVE PC911.......I WILL NOT LEAVE PC911.......I WILL NOT LEAVE PC911......(GONNA MISS YOU DUDE. YA'LL COME BACK NOW, YA HEAR?)....i WILL NOT LEAVE PC911.I WILL NOT LEAVE PC911....

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HoratioFri May-10-02 07:55 AM
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#20. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I'm with Lil Joe as well Grogan, I think I know how you feel. It must really suck to give so much of your time helping people here and to be jacked around by some guy who's only been here a few months.

If some of these whiners find you a bit too real, let them leave. They sure as hell won't be missed.

I hope you will reconsider; you are one of a handful of people here that not only have an immense amount of knowlege but you can always be counted on every day to share that knowlege with those who need it.

  

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Bob GFri May-10-02 08:08 AM
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#21. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Horatio (Reply # 20)


  

          

I have to disagree, Grogan does/did more than share his knowledge. What he did was teach, a far more difficult undertaking.

I got my first computer a little over two years ago, found WinMag then 911. From the beginning (for me) Grogan has always given me his time, and just a little bit more than I actually understood. I don't know how he judged it so well, but that's what he's always done. It forced me to think and discover on my own, but at the same time didn't leave me stranded.

Whatever little I know about these things, 90% came from his mind, and his ability to impart that to me in a way that inspired my curiosity. He's one serious dude, and an enormous asset to this site. He can also be a huge pain in the ass, but there you go ...

  

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JPFri May-10-02 08:22 AM
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#22. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


          

So far in this thread, no one has said Don't let the door smack your ass on the way out.

Tell ya what - if the door does smack your ass, turn around and kick it down. Then at least it won't be slammed shut! }>

JP

  

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DarrenFri May-10-02 08:30 AM
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#23. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

Damn Grogan...your post were the ones I always looked for. I can't count all the times you had me rolling in the floor laughing with your wit, humour, and don't-give-a-shit attitude. You also helped me with my computer problems throughout the years. I can't believe you're gonna let a "Freek" (who's only been here since January this year, and has shared no real knowledge), run off a seasoned veteran like yourself, who has 8250 post under your belt. Come on, man...get your ass back in here.

  

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SloHandsFri May-10-02 08:36 AM
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#24. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


          

Mike, I haven't been around much the last few months. Like you, I got tired of the hassle and back-biting. I felt I had / have little to give and often was ostracised when I did try to help. I make mistakes, but I tried to help. Made errors in judgement, too. So be it. If I can't be a part of the solution, then I will not be a part of the problem. I have quietly backed away. So have several others who are friends of mine.

You, my friend, are most needed here. You have the expertise that is needed to maintain the quality of assistance that lies within this forum. You have angered me several times over the years, but that was my fault. Thin skin and all that "rah, rah, rah!" I learned and that was paramount to me swallowing my pride and paying attention.

I ask you this, Mike! "Is leaving the forum really what you are all about?"

I personally don't think so. Take a break for awhile. Change of scenery thing. I hope you'll return refreshed for the next round. We have only one life to live, make yours count as you have in the past. Knowledge is meant to be shared.

Thanks for sharing yours, my friend!

Slo Hands

  

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BobMcGFri May-10-02 08:47 AM
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#26. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Fri May-10-02 08:53 AM

  

          

Take a break. Everyone needs a vacation once in a while, but please come back soon. YOUR NEEDED.


I just noticed the title of your post "Some of you are getting your wish...". Maybe some are getting their wish, but the vast majority hope you keep on keeping on here. You might not be appreciated by all, but you are appreciated by most.

  

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garbruFri May-10-02 08:50 AM
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#27. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

I wish you would stay, but you have to do what you have to do. Good luck with everything. I also wish that people who choose to post here make an extra effort to be civilized and get along as best as possible. I often see digs and slanderous remarks here and there that are just uneeded. If I can ever help you out with anything drop me a line. glenred@earthlink.net

Garbru

  

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ChickenmanFri May-10-02 09:22 AM
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#29. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Fri May-10-02 09:31 AM

          

Mike: as others have said " Take a break my friend" and then get back whenever you feel like it. You're a wealth of information and I've always enjoyed your no BS, straight forward attitude. Come back soon....but don't change a darned thing.

You know something....I'm getting tired of the whining, sniveling,politically correct types too. Why don't you little cry babies take your keyboards, turn them sideways ....and stick them up your Candy Asses... or your big fat mouths.

You don't here that type of talk from me often.... but I'm fed up with these freeloaders!!!!!

See ya later..... I'm going on Vacation too!!

Edit: missed " BS " after "no"

  

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#30. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Chickenman (Reply # 29)


  

          

AMEN !!!


RussH






  

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martiFri May-10-02 09:34 AM
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#31. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Chickenman (Reply # 29)


  

          

HeHeHe. There is a device called a "gastrodome" that some folks need so they can see out when they have their head up their ass. It's made of clear plexiglass and fits over the stomach.

A supervisor of mine, many years ago, taught me that one.


marti

  

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old dudeFri May-10-02 09:58 AM
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#32. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Aw hell, Grogan.......

  

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Bob GFri May-10-02 10:01 AM
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#33. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Yup ...

  

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General_KFri May-10-02 10:15 AM
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#39. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to marti (Reply # 31)


          

Grogan,

I'm sorry to hear that you're leaving. I hope you change your mind.

Peter


  

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SpeziFri May-10-02 10:01 AM
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#34. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

Grogan if you need a break you sure deserve it but don't let a couple of newbie self appointed morality cops chase you out of here.

I can't for the life of me figure out why with all the forums out there on the internet some whiners have to settle in here and begin some kind of a crusade from the get go.

It's pretty simple really for those of you who don't like the forum or its politics. Go find yourself another place to hang out where you like the atmosphere and stop trying to change our house.

Better yet go start your own forum and make your own rules....errrrr.......oh wait that takes hard work and effort, so I guess it's much easier to tear down something that's already there right?

You shit disturbers make me sick!
:'(

Thanks for all you've done Grogan and I sure hope to see you back here but if not then best of luck in all your endeavors.

  

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#35. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Spezi (Reply # 34)


  

          

The reason behind most of the nastiness online is because of its nature. Some people get a lot bigger when they hide behind a monitor. God forbid they act like that in public, they sure wouldn't last long around my friends.

  

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Bob GFri May-10-02 10:06 AM
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#36. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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And as a reformed shit-disturber his own self, Spezi speaks with some authority

  

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Hardware FreekFri May-10-02 06:11 PM

  
#71. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Spezi (Reply # 34)


          

>Grogan if you need a break you sure deserve it but don't let
>a couple of newbie self appointed morality cops chase you
>out of here.
>
>I can't for the life of me figure out why with all the
>forums out there on the internet some whiners have to settle
>in here and begin some kind of a crusade from the get go.
>
>It's pretty simple really for those of you who don't like
>the forum or its politics. Go find
>yourself another place to hang out where you like the
>atmosphere and stop trying to change our house.

>
>Better yet go start your own forum and make your own
>rules....errrrr.......oh wait that takes hard work and
>effort, so I guess it's much easier to tear down something
>that's already there right?
>
>You shit disturbers make me sick!
:'(
>
>Thanks for all you've done Grogan and I sure hope to see you
>back here but if not then best of luck in all your
>endeavors.


It's pretty simple really for those of you who don't like the forum or its politics. Go find yourself another place to hang out where you like the atmosphere and stop trying to change our house.

Better yet go start your own forum and make your own rules....errrrr.......oh wait that takes hard work and effort, so I guess it's much easier to tear down something that's already there right?

You shit disturbers make me sick!



You talk about making rules & enforcing those same rules, yet when PC911 has rules that Grogan & his type continually flouted, yet you accuse ME of tearing things down. NO Grogan managed that all by himself he sets a bad example of conduct within a respected forum, yes he is excellent with PC related stuff, but, when his personal problems are taken out on others there must come some sort of accountability for the good of the forum. I have had several private e-mails stating support for myself & verifying what I already thought, namely that Grogan has been finding things difficult & that he was already considering quitting PC911.



Do you really think he quit over this "storm in a tea cup"? I would think not, I was his excuse & I will take it that way & you can think what you like, if it was your wife or child being told to shove the head etc would you not take umbrage? try putting yourself in other ppl's shoes before you react, just the same as if Grogan was your son would you support him in abusing ppl, I hope not.



  

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SpeziFri May-10-02 06:34 PM
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#74. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Hardware Freek (Reply # 71)


  

          

The point you're missing HardwareFreek is that Grogan is Grogan. He was that way when you got here and he'll be that way long after you're gone.

You on the other hand have displayed a penchant for stirring things up countless times. Too bad you aren't the expert in computers that you act like in pretty much all other topics.

No one asked you to police moderators and the response you got from Grogan in that other thread was simply a fitting one (not to mention deserved) considering your habit of always sticking your nose in where it isn't wanted.

When you end up in a forum with this many diverse personalities there will always be people you don't get along with or see eye to eye with so deal with it. Either ignore their posts or move on.

  

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Hardware FreekFri May-10-02 10:32 PM

  
#83. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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You think telling folk to stop whing & ranting & to shove thier heads up their ass isn't stirring things up? shove it up your ass mate!

  

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#96. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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>You think telling folk to stop whing & ranting & to shove
>thier heads up their ass isn't stirring things up? shove it
>up your ass mate!

You see HF now you're begining to contradict yourself. Here you are trying to promote all this pure as the driven snow baloney and then you resort to the above remark.

I've kept my end of the conversation civil and although the thought has crossed my mind I haven't told you to stick anything anywhere. As Russ indicated though I too have limits and if you want to push far enough you'll get pushed back.

I seriously doubt that you have the capability of minding your own business and it's that sticking your nose where it doesn't belong that gets you in trouble. The Ryan thread the other day was as good example as any. You've got the nerve to tell us to be ashamed when you don't know jack about the problem or it's history. Before you go defending something do some research so that at least your opinions will have some basis in fact.

More often than not your replies are nothing more than self righteous kneejerk BS that no one solicited. If this forum doesn't live up to your expectations or standards then move on. If you like it here then make an effort to fit in and stop making waves all the time. We all do it now and then but your whole purpose for being seems to be preaching your views on how we should act.

Sometimes HF if you see something you don't agree with you can also shut the heck up and stay out of it. I do it plenty of times perhaps you should give it a go.

As for the Grogan thing well he was here when you got here. He hasn't changed any so what makes you think you have or gives you the right to change him?

A wise person lurks in forums for quite a while to get the feel of the place before joining and sometimes it's a fit and sometimes it isn't. If Grogan's or anyone elses demeanor shocks you then maybe you didn't lurk long enough.

It's not an excuse for language or behavior but I can guarantee you if you are out looking for a crusade there are forums on the net that need cleaning up far more than PC911 ever will. So you have emails from a few folk that support you. Big Deal. With the amount of members registered here it's not exactly a stretch to get a couple of sympathizers but that still does not the majority make.

This place has always had a core group of regular members and whether moderator or not the group does a pretty good job of policing the place all on it's own and I for one prefer to see it stay that way.

I've read all your posts since you blew in here and I'll tell you what dude you have some unresolved issues and you need to deal with them on your own time and not here on the forum.

I could sing you a couple of somebody done somebody wrong songs but then so could the vast majority.

Many people have had a hard life but it goes on.....boo hoo........and then we die.


  

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#102. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Ah, you're beginning to get it...

Actually, you obviously aren't. You should leave. You're a misfit here.



  

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#72. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan,

I second what Spezi said so nicely ,your a part of the great foundation here.So was Scooter,and ALL the mods here.Sure we are all different and unique,that's what makes this our home.I have always considered you a great friend,please give some thought to staying with the family.You are a very important part of the family,and family stays together,today and everyday.Thanks for everything,Tuff









  

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#37. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan
Though I have not had the pleasure of your advice/guidance,the method in which you have helped and guided a lot of thankful people on this forum is quite worth mentioning.Even when the questions asked sometimes have been so basic and simple:that in itself displays a generous disposition to help people.As somebody mentioned earlier,it is more like a professor opening the vault of his knowledge to his students,regardless of their capacity to learn.
I have always admired your talent and knowledge.
At my stage of life and the vast book of experience that one accumulates by that age,I will address this to all the complainers and their cronies who were feeling slighted by Grogan, please accept people as they are,in whatever form or figure they appear.Do not try to improve their methods if you are really interested in learning from them.If you do not wish to learn from them then keep away from getting tangled in any form of contact with them.You have absolutely no right to deprive others who genuinely need these helpers who are sacrificing their valuable times and efforts to make some people more computer savy without receiving any remuneration,and even if they are being remunerated,what right do we have to express our 2cts worth when we are not paying or even contributing towards their services?
Now that I have got this off my system, Grogan, though I, as an individual, am asking you, I am sure a majority of the other members on this forum will join me in requesting you to reconsider your decision,as a generous hearted gentleman, PLEASE STAY.
I sincerely hope you will not disappoint all those who need you.

AGB

  

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KirklandFri May-10-02 10:16 AM
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#40. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Ahh Grogan, "This too shall pass."

I've been awful busy of late to visit the forum(s), but I too will miss you (unless that is, you decide to come back, kicking *ss and taking names).

Meanwhile, rest easy

Kirkland

  

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CopperFri May-10-02 10:39 AM
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#41. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan,

I believe that even a kick in the butt is a step forward and your kick in the butt style always worked for me. When you're teaching what I need to learn, you can say it anyway you want.

Please, reconsider.

I love you man, I'll even give you my Bud!

Copper

  

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serlvFri May-10-02 10:56 AM
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#42. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Dude! This is like Ronald leaving McDonalds, or Satan abandoning Hell.

WTF, rover? There is no way this place will be nearly what it was without you.

I hope you reconsider. Take a break or whatever. Just don't get stubborn, and think you're decision has to be permanent.

This friggin sucks.

Scott

Still Crunching To Crush Cancer




Somebody, Stop Me!

  

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#43. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan, please read this, every word is meant.
When i first came to this forum you were the first person to help me with my new computer. I knew you were one of the top guys here, and felt very priveledged when you gave your help, because I knew you were busy as hell helping everyone else too.
I got myself into deep water many times on this forum with my over emotional attitude, but what I liked about you was this: I knew that behind the "tolerate no fools" attitude was a human guy with a sense of humour.
You are the human face of this forum, your Lee Evans avatar and colourful sig, and I always tried to be careful what I said around you, NOT because I was afraid of a "bully", but because deep down I really respected you, and cared about what you thought of me. RESPECT is the word here, and whether over sensitive Mummys boys "like" you or not,you are a professional and not here to be liked, because trying to be liked is a fools game. You are YOURSELF, and that is the biggest gift you can give.
What is shocking me here is that you seem to be going because of one relatively new person who probably has deep issues with his father
and is externalising them onto you. If you feel you need a break , you bloody deserve one. Watch some Lee Evans videos or go for some walks in the woods and take some time out for yourself.
But don't be away from here to long.
For a newbie entering this forum, you are the welcoming giant at the gate. You are one of the men here.

  

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#64. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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And exactly what have you contributed to this site?



  

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#65. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Joe,

Al has been the main anchor on both the old Winmag Forum and PC 911. Neither would have been successful without his leadership. They just would not have existed. You owe him an apology and an apology to the rest of us for taking that unwaranted shot.

You don't get it, do you?

Norm




Norm



  

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#77. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Al,
We rub each other up the wrong way. We are probably the antithesis of each other. I find you excruciatingly dogmatic and hate your politics as vehemently as you hate mine. We know that. Maybe what I hate even more is the ice cool/cold manner which indicatees that you have very few doubts about anything, and I suppose i find your lack of uncertainty or humility slightly inhuman. It is probably irrational of me to have these feelings, and also inappropriate to mention you in a farewell letter to Grogan. But deep down there are some very contradictory things going on, because deep down I suppose I envy your concise logic. Envy is often at the root of hatred. Anyway, I don't hate you. You are a big challenge to my nervous system, but I don't hate you.

  

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#79. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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> because deep down I
>suppose I envy your concise logic.

Jeez Man! Getta hold of yourself will ya.

  

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JoePFri May-10-02 10:28 PM
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#82. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Hal009
Everyone has feelings, even Al }>
I was always taught that no matter how you disagree with someone, you should always be able to stand your ground and argue logically and rationally wwithout resorting to insult. On the whole, not always, Al does that.You do. I may disagree with him very often, but I have to agree with Trebuchet that using insults just opens the floodgate to a higher level of hate and bitterness. It's good to "say it as it is", but it's even better to win without trying to humiliate or insult. I know Im going against myself, that's just me and always will be. I am more and more convinced that hate destroys something INSIDE OURSELVES, that's just a personal conviction. And learning to understand and respect that person makes me feel...strangely liberated. When I was "ill", I reluctantly have to admit that it was Al who made the most insightful comment into what was F*&^* up in my personality. I said that lived with the constant feeling that there was an enemy looking over my shoulder, that he clung onto me and wouldn't let me go. He said, "It is probably you".
Simplistic, concise, hard, but probably true.

  

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#85. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Well Joe, personally, I like Al. I find him to be an interesting combination of things: exteme intelligence, very insightful and in some ways more open minded than people may realize, all coupled with pockets of remedial thought processes beyond his control, a little like Turrets Syndrome of the mind. The tough guy thing's a front, or is it?

In spite of everything, I think Al's most outstanding characteristic is that he doesn't MAKE EXCUSES for who and what he is.

  

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doctoreddiechakraSat May-11-02 01:02 AM
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#93. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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KNOWING who one is, is a start. If a person doesn't really have that strong sense of self or certainty but accepts that they have faults, and desires to change them to grow as a person, that is comendable too. Uncertainty and doubt for me are facts of everyday life. It's why comedians like Lee Evans (Grogans avatar) are among my favourites. They have an absurd sense of humour based on acknowledging man's basically ridiculous sense of self-importance in relation to the universe, and try to knock the intellectual egotists off their pedestals.

  

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hal9000Sat May-11-02 04:14 AM
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#97. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to doctoreddiechakra (Reply # 93)


          

As always Doctor Eddie, you make several good points.

When one suffers from a depleted sense of self and is learning to love and accept the self in the face of perceived committed mistakes, there is a tendency to be overly critical, which compounds and further weakens the self. One way to sustain a healthy respect for the self while simultaneously acknowledging a desire to change and improve, is to realize one need not make excuses for their behavior to gracefully excuse the self. If an apology is requested, give one.

  

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Ranger BobFri May-10-02 09:33 PM
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#80. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to JoeP (Reply # 77)


  

          

"the ice cool/cold manner which indicates that you have very few doubts about anything". You just described a Green Beret, SEAL, Ranger or any other SF type.

Ranger Bob -- AKA Bobby



  

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AlSat May-11-02 06:03 AM
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#106. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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LOL..



  

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AlSat May-11-02 05:55 AM
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#103. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to JoeP (Reply # 77)


  

          

Thanks for that. It shows maturity and respect. I may not agree with you, but you have a right to your views. Just don't expect to change my views, they've been forged in hot fires.



  

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JoePSat May-11-02 01:48 PM
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#114. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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yep, just like steel hey All the best Al.

  

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#69. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to JoeP (Reply # 43)


  

          

I was hoping that just ONCE Joe, you were going to post something worthwhile, but alas, that was sily of me wasn't it?? You couldn't just keep on the subject of Grogan's sad departure, you HAD to be an ass like always and take a shot at Al?? Maybe you'd like a forum full of Hardwarefreaks?? Thn you could all talk nice nice, of course that's assuming your fucked up computers you can't fix then would even be able to get on line!!


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JoePFri May-10-02 08:06 PM
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#78. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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point taken.

  

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#44. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


          

Grogan,
If you feel you need some time off to pursue your own activities, more power to you, but I can't imagine you'd be too busy to pop in once in a while and interact. If you don't, you'll be missed by many, including me. I don't think there is anyone here who does not respect your computer knowledge and your willingness to share it.
Once I was around here long enough, I realized that your sometimes gruff manner was fueled by a passion for your subject manner, combined with your custom of just plain speaking your mind.
I gotta tell ya though, dude, that I occasionally cringed when I saw some of your posts to people who may not have had the chance to arrive at that same conclusion, and may have read them as being personal attacks.
I don't hesitate to mention this, as well as my "toothbrush" comment in an earlier post, because you've always supported the right of everybody in the forum to speak their opinion, and we all know you're a big fan of not mincing words.
I've always read your posts, and have grown to like and respect you in spite of the fact that I may not always agree with your delivery. If you indeed decide to pursue other activities, don't be a stranger. You might find you enjoy dropping in even more, if it's no longer an obligation.
Since you said you don't plan to read this post, I'll send a copy of this by e-mail, which you're no doubt getting a lot of lately.

McGee

  

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#45. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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This is a sad day ...

  

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#48. "A Sad Day"
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I'm not sure I can add a lot to what's already been said, but I'm with the vast majority in hopeing you stick around. They may say the best revenge is to live well but personally, I think the ultimate revenge is to hold your ground and stick to your guns. That'll make the majority of us very happy. And as far as the small hand full of others are concerned - that's their problem. Don't let them win!!!

Just remember all the positive reasons you and all the regulars are here and keep coming back. Tonight I stayed up extra late to read and respond to this post when I should be asleep, because it mattered to me. And as you've seen, it matters to most of us. Hang in there.





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#46. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Dear Grogan,
I shall be very sorry to see you go. Your posts are among the ones I always look for and read. I mentioned a few weeks ago that I have a Shelly folder, I also have a Grogan folder. Some of the stuff you have posted is just not available anywhere else in such a straightforward, clear and concise manner. Thank you.



Jim

  

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#47. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Wow Waldo, for some strange reason, I feel the need to log on here every second of every day!!

On topic...why don't they just oust HF!! Says he doesn't have any feelings about it one way or the other. What a joke. It takes a big person to admit when they are wrong. And it's actually not that difficult. But make it so that Grogan doesn't leave, ok??
Please??



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#49. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan thanks for your help, I'll miss your knowledge and straight answers ....please reconsider this .......Jim

  

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#50. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan,
I wish you well in whatever you choose to do.
You are a very important asset to this forum.
Take your time,relax,regroup,then get your ass back here.
This forum is like your home and the people here like family.
Dont let them and yourself down.




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#51. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Say it isn't so Grogan. Your assistnace has been invaluable to me.

  

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Hardware FreekFri May-10-02 02:45 PM

  
#52. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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IMHO If Grogan can't take the criticism that he so freely handed out, I don't see how I can be blamed for that and I take no responsibility for Grogan's OTT reaction. His posts were at times frankly abusive and although people come in here looking for help, there is absolutely no reason to treat them that way. He will be a great loss to the forum, but he was having increased difficulties in his personal life which possibly contributed to his abrasive manner. I'm sorry if I trampled on people's toes, but that's not what I intended to do!

Finally, if you all want me to leave, then I'll respect that and leave. Then you can all go back to mud slinging and abusing each other and pull this forum into the gutter.

Personally, I think Grogan's departure may actually help the forum by upholding the forum standard of "friendly, personal computer help".

You can hate me all you want, but I won't stand by and watch people being abused for no good reason. Having had a look at the replies in this thread, it appears that Grogan is not the only foul mouthed member. Maybe you could all consider this as a wake-up call?!

  

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#57. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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If we want to take a good look at what's gone wrong here, then this post by HF is a good place to start. Let's take everyone of your posts and give them careful examination and let's determine if there may be some clues as to those things that are trying to tear our house down.

HF you are not the only problem here. There are many others. When we started this place we looked for things like respect, civility, compassion, and caring. Nomad, Al and Scotter had some incredible discussions and when they were done, they were done. Our mood was that the pursuit of knowledge and education were important. Funny thing is that we knew there were no hidden agendas. We always had respect no matter what the outcome of the discussion turned out to be.

Somehow we started attracting people to this Forum who really didn't care about others, only about themselves. You could go through the roster and pick them out.

If you want to get a feeling about what this place was, and should be, about then you have to go back to the old Winmag Forum and read the posts and the threads and do the same from the day we started a new community called PC911.

HF, this is your Forum. It belongs to those that care about the founding principles and to those folks who live by them. Without guys like Shelly, Lil Joe, Scotter, Al, Steve, Marti, JP, Nomad, Casca, Tuff, Alex, Steve, Ropera, Spezi and several others of us there would be no 911. We all put this together and if you want to join us then you must care about tradition and demonstrate that you care about others.

I hope we survive. We started with a bit of magic and we need it to continue. For those that have little regard for others, go the fuck away.

Grogan, like many of us, sometimes sits on his ice cream, but then, don't we all?

Peace,

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#58. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm going to say it anyway. I've my share of disagreements with many people here, including both Hardware Freak and Grogan.

I've been reading the outpouring of "Grogan, please don't leave us" posts with rising incredulity. It's simply amazing that nobody in the forum seems to recognize how much Grogan contributed to the general air of meanness. Yes, Grogan's computer knowledge was staggering. But his immediate escalation to scatological or sexually-charged insults in almost any discussion seriously lowered the "civility level" in the forum. Many people in the forum have strong opinions and express them regularly , including myself. But I've never told anyone to f**k" themselves, eat sh*t, or cram their head up their a**. Grogan did use that type of discourse on a regular basis. Oh, I know: "That's just him", as if that somehow explained or even excused it.

When certain "trigger" words get used in an argument the hostility level ramps up fast. It's just human nature. Nobody in this entire forum was quicker to use those words than Grogan, and since moderators help set the tone in any forum I think that was taken as a license to kill by many argumentative members. After all, if a moderator does it it must be OK, right? I've been coming to PC911 since only a few months after it was founded, and I've been appalled lately at the steadily declining civility.

Maybe with Grogan (at least temporarily) gone and Alex's subsequent warning post people will stop being so confrontational and some semblance of civility will return. We should take this as a wake up call. I'm not going to argue that the loss of Grogan's technical expertise isn't a severe blow to this site. It is. But I hope that he can find it in his heart to chill out, take a deep breath, and return when he's ready.


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AlFri May-10-02 04:46 PM
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#63. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Treb,

Grogan hasn't changed. So how can he be contributing to the downhill slide? I've changed, so maybe I am. But Grogan is the same person he was on day one in terms of how he posts. Maybe we're just attracting more people with thinner skins. Or maybe more people who want to be trolls (I happen to think a bit or both). But to blame Grogan?

Bull.



  

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#95. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Al, I have to respectfully disagree with you. Grogan has been becoming increasingly more hostile over about the last six months, and that's not just my opinion. I don't know why, although I understand he was having some personal problems. In any case, it's a moot point. He is arrogant, mean-spirited, and vulgar. Since when was being crass considered to be a laudable characteristic?

There are many people here that have strong opinions about many sensitive issues, and express them in strong terms. Opinions and tempers can run pretty high when OT subjects are debated. Where Grogan differed from pretty much anyone else here was in his using that type of language even in subjects that don't warrant that level of vitriol.

Grogan may even be the greatest computer expert who has ever lived, a veritable Micheal Jordan in the field, but he's not worth a pile of beans as a human being. I don't really care if he knows more than anybody, he doesn't know more than everybody. While the forum's technical expertise may suffer a bit due to his self-imposed exile, I believe the "community" that is PC911 can only be improved by his absence, at least for a while.


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#98. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Treb, if you knew Grogan outside of this forum, you would change your mind immediately.

  

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#100. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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DM, you may very well be right. But I have seen Grogan only here, and I certainly anticipate no likelihood of ever meeting him in person. In any case, it is his surly attitude and hostile behavior here in the forum that I and others objected to. Most people are decent to their friends, it is their treatment of strangers and casual acquaintances that shows their true character.

That is all I will have to say on this subject, I think I have made my position clear enough.


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AlSat May-11-02 06:14 AM
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#107. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Treb,

I disagree with you entirely.

Grogan helps people to fix their problems even when he despises them.

He tells people in no uncertain terms when they are being stupid or not getting the point.

You may not like his methods, but I think he shows more humanity and caring than most of the people in this forum. He doesn't concern himself with how his language will be taken because he gives ALL of us credit for being able to see what is there to be learned.

Treb, no matter what you say, Grogan treats everyone here as equals. EVERYONE. That is something very few of us can claim. And it is surely not true when someone must worry about fitting their language to be acceptable to the reader and the various individuals here who want to attack a person for posting the same way they were posting when this site was set up.

If the frequency of Grogan's posts addressing idiots has gone up, maybe it is because of an increase in idiots on the site. But I believe you are wrong (and I seriously doubt you can prove your allegation that there has been a change in the last 6 months).



  

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#108. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Al,

I think there's been a change. Everyone has multiple aspects to their personality. The part of Grogan's that's abrasive has been more in the forefront the last several months, and more often in on topic threads than in the past. I was offended by it myself a few times, but hadn't considered a point you just made - he treats everyone the same. I expected him to cut me a little slack, and he didn't - my mistake (I'm not trying to be cute, it really was my mistake.)

Funny though, what started this sorry affair was a privacy oriented question. When I read Grogan's response, my reaction was to chuckle at his going off on another "anti-privacy rant" as he's done often in the past. Big point I think, because if you haven't been around long enough to know his views on the subject, a person could (and in this case did) misinterpret his remarks.

I made a great effort to both fit in and create a space for myself when I first came here. Seemed like the smart thing to do if I wanted to stick around. I don't know why so many others don't seem to think it's so smart.

  

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AlFri May-10-02 04:40 PM
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#62. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Actually, I've decided that your self-righteous judge others attitude is a wake-up call.

Du bist ein schwartzkopf auf der Hund.

E Hia.

You must be from the 10% of the ten-percenters.

By the way, when have you provided any help? Really?



  

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#68. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Hardware Freek (Reply # 52)
Fri May-10-02 05:45 PM

  

          

"Personally, I think Grogan's departure may actually help the forum by upholding the forum standard of "friendly, personal computer help"."

Yea, maybe we can have a bunch of suck ass whiners like you helpin, HA!! Of course i guess the problem is, you don't KNOW anything!! I'll take 1 nasty ass Grogan over 100 kiss ass HF's ANY day when i need help with my computer!!

Here's my vote, you wanna leave, please, DO! Your trolling has done it's damage to this forum, your work is done, move on.

"Then you can all go back to mud slinging and abusing each other and pull this forum into the gutter."

How DID we get along before without your moral policing of us>??

"You can hate me all you want, but I won't stand by and watch people being abused for no good reason. Having had a look at the replies in this thread, it appears that Grogan is not the only foul mouthed member. Maybe you could all consider this as a wake-up call?!"

Yup, i'm one of those foul mouths, but only when provoked, and YOU have done an admiable job of that. I've been coming here for quite awhile now, i havn't been as much lately, and havn't been posting much for a little while just because of people like you. Newbies who come in to a prfectly good working forum, that helps bettert than ANY forum out there, but is this enough? NO! YOU feel the need to change it to suit your needs, well guess what? Ain't gonna happen, if you have a problem with the language or style of someone, or this forum in general, get the HELL out!! I am SO tired of the bleating little lambs who are offended by a word, or action on the internet and feel THEY are the moral majority ( which is meither ) who needs to step up and change the world to be a clone of their ideals.

Go away troll boy, and take your troll friends with you.







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BillyFri May-10-02 02:46 PM
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#53. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Maybe consider staying as a member but not moderator that way may feel less obligated to keep a close eye on things and thus enjoy it more.

Or possibly a vacation from moderator.

Have always enjoyed reading, witty remarks and learning from your posts.


  

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#55. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan

I can pay you no more compliment than to say your straight direct no-nonsense manner, and your wealth of knowledge, makes you seem almost Australian.

Having said that, and I'm one of the newer ones, those new to the forum are unaware of the role you played here, which I'm sure has led to misinterpretations. This thread helps remedy that, so I hope you'll return and take up where you left off.


Malcolm

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BackflipFri May-10-02 02:56 PM
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#54. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan, I too wish you would reconsider. I always looked for your posts and although they were often blunt, there was also humour and a tremendous knowledge and a willingness to help incompetents like me. The forum will be a poorer place without you. Best wishes in whatever you do.




  

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#56. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Oh no......Grogan.....PLEASE don't leave!!!

I'm bummin' out.......


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#59. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


          

Add me to the list of members that hope you reconsider and return sometime. Your ability to see through a problem and detail a solution that even I can understand has meant a lot.

Whatever you decide, thanks and good luck with your future endeavors.

Gary

  

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AllynFri May-10-02 04:16 PM
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#60. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


          

Grogan,

Thanks for all you've contributed. I've been hanging around for a relatively short time and have learned much from your posts. Your sharing of your knowledge and experience has been enlightening, to say the least. If your absence is extended, as you state, you'll be greatly missed.

So if you can see your way to returning, I'll put away my arthritis medicine for a couple of days, drink some ale, and open a bottle of fine wine and celebrate! Hell, I might actually share it with you!

Take care.

  

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#61. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Thank you Grogan.

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#66. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan, you have been a very valuable contributer to this forum. I've been here from the first day and have benefited a lot from your knowledge. There once was a time when people came here just to learn and to help. Hopefully, this will happen again. Thanks for having been here.

  

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#67. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan:
I, as one among many, will miss you greatly. Yes, you come across as obnoxious sometimes (not to say Hardware Freek does not!) but your superior knowledge and your willingness to help (does this not demonstrate a good heart?) more tham offsets any complaints I could ever have about your postings.
I thank you a lot and hope that you will reconsider and grace us with with your presence again in the near future. I think we need people like you.

  

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yaroFri May-10-02 05:44 PM
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#70. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Gonna miss you GROGAN, who's telling me all about LINUX now??
All the best to you
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#73. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I think that Grogran is just sarcastic. That's all. I've read many of his posts, and I don't look at any of them beaning abusive. Maybe sarcastic, that's all.
I myself am sarcastic, and I like that. It makes people think. And what's wrong with that. Alot of people call it 'playing mind games'. Maybe so, but what the heck, ya know?
Live and let live, that's what I try to do.
The infamous words of Mr. Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along".(with a little squeek in the voice)



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#75. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I've been a long time on these Message Boards and I find both, Hardware Freak and Grogan kind, gentle, cute and cuddly. At least that's my opinion.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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#76. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I like coming here where there are others with a common interest, because I enjoy learning about computers and helping out when I can. (it's really an expensive hobby)But I love it. How would I learn more unless I come here, where there are many people who are more experienced than me. How are we going to progress if the more knowledgeable leave? Also it's fun to see the ribbing and banter and to occasionally take part in it. Some of you guys are really "out there" in a funny way and really make me laugh. Sorry things sometimes get heavy and to see anyone leave. :'(

  

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fishstickFri May-10-02 09:35 PM
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#81. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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The man I learned the most about life from wasn't always the nicest person around. I always respected his opinion and never questioned the method in which I recieved what I needed to learn. There were a lot of things said to me that hurt my feelings, but I am the man I am today because of it. That man was my father (R.I.P.).

This whole mess seems to be a customer service issue, and people keep forgetting that we do not pay for anything. It is by invitation that we arrive here, and by desire that we stay. If we want to learn from someone who is always pleasant and nice, we should get off the puter and just watch Mr. Rogers Neighborhood.

If you don't respect an opinion, at least respect the time and work it took to get it.

P.S. Grogan, Fishing is always good for the sole.(lol)

  

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#87. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I have always had great help from grogan from this forum. As well as anyone else that has helped me along my computer woes. Maybe we should rotate moderators take some pressure off people.


Denise
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#88. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

Grogan,

I hope you do return to read what about everybody else is telling you. To stay. Things can creep up to you, especially if you're attacked personally, I know that. But once you realize how many others are supporting you, taking the outbursts for what they are, you will see they want you in here. Not to bully you, but because of who and what you are. A valuable member of the team.

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Hardware FreekSat May-11-02 12:16 AM

  
#89. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I held Grogan in respect as I do yourself and ANY other members of PC911 as regarded his undeniable expertise, what the issue was is that his behavior was not occassional, rather that it was the norm, the moderators are as much to blame as I am for bringing this issue to a head as they all failed in their duty to clean up PC911's image. If YOU recommended PC911 to a close friend or family & they got told to "stop whining" or "stick you ass...." how would you feel. I had NO personal interest in attacking Grogan & in fact I did not attack him, rather I asked him to consider posting in a more civil manner as detailed in this thread:



"Reading Topic #39424
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"If there's any doubt about Kazaa" "



I believe that by refusing to codemn his "abrasive" manner that CG & Co are about to create a two tiered structure at PC911 in which there will, from this point onwards be two sets of rules in which the "mods" can do as they please & the rest of us can try & post as many Grogan type remarks as Grogan did without being censored, silenced or otherwise dealt with.

My final statement to Grogan that prompted his resignation was this:

"May I remind you of the forum rules of which you should be aware.
"Do not post any material that is abusive, defamatory, infringing, obscene, pornographic, or otherwise offensive to other forum visitors. Keep it clean, watch your language, and don't post anything you wouldn't want your mother and/or your children to see.
Any posts of this nature will be removed." "

If the moderators can't follow them & openly abuse people what gives you the right to condemn ppl like Ryan who also persisted in breaking rules & degenerates this forum into a joke.

I may have posted opinionated statements before now but I never infringed on the Forum rules or swore at ppl & I never will, maenwhile I will NOT bring myself down to your level. If you find it hard getting time to post here & are getting stresssed, why not take a nice long break & maybe some counselling?

I am lodging a complaint regarding your language.



That was in response to this post from Grogan, which was a clear & deliberate statement of disregard for the forum rules:



"I don't care one bit what you think of me and I maintain that as long as I am here, I'll use any language I like (within certain limits set only by myself) and respond to posts however I see fit. If I am asked to leave, I will do just that. Until that day comes I'll just carry on."


I hardly call that attacking someone, Grogan was probably ready to quit & (as I said ealier in another thread) I was the catalyst that gave him an easy way out of his PC911 obligations that he himself didn't know how to quit. I sincerely hope that he will return to the forum after he is rested somewhat & be welcomed. I am so disappointed at having to jusify myself for acting to protect other ppl using this forum from his nasty comments, I had no personal interest in taking this up but as a practising christian I felt duty bound to tackle this issue in the brest way that I could & I did it without malice, swearing or wicked intent & it was meant a a shot across the bow. That was the moderators job to do & not mine, yet I am the one who detroyed a prat (sorry) part of PC911.


  

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#90. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I see. I think your remarks about taking a good R&R before returning are close to what I've meailed to Grogan. Let's just hope he does see this thread, thinks again and returns.

I would not be a defeat, nor would it imply that we're right on all counts. From my personal experience (as I said, I've been on the receiving end of a rather vicious personal attack) this kind of thing usually takes two or three weeks for initial healing, and then some to gather more self-esteem.

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Hardware FreekSat May-11-02 12:32 AM

  
#91. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Hopefully despite his personal feelings towards me, he (Grogan) will reconsider his course of action.

  

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elhvbSat May-11-02 12:36 AM
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#92. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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As mentioned so many times in other threads, everybody is free to ignore postings or entire threads...

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#94. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


          

I really don't know what's going on here. I don't read every thread. Grogan has always been very helpful to me.
Grogan, I hope you reconsider. You'll be missed. This is the best place to come for PC help and you are a big part of that help. But, whatever you decide, best of luck to you.

  

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#99. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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grogan,

you and i could probably debate all the livelong day each other's approach to dealing with people, and each end up just more convinced of our own turf.

but this thread has shown me that your way can work, too. it may be the fire that tempers steel. many who have been on the receiving end of your tongue are asking you to stay.

if you go- well, change is good sometimes. we flex our muscles, try other things.

but if you decide to say "ok, f*ck that sh*t- i'm staying!!!", it looks like the welcome back party would burn the cables!

think about it.

  

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#101. "???????????"
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You know I come here for computer help.
If I wanted to watch/listen to a soap opera,
I could just turn on some afternoon Television.

I laugh out loud at this display.

I expect this from women (which is a total insult...I know)
but not from a bunch of men.

Its a web page for God's sake...

Have you been physically attacked or harmed in anyway???

If you want to leave then leave....if not stay.

They are just posts from people around the world...
some more intelligent people than others....
(you know who you are)

I don't understand why you would chose to stop helping
people because of one ass???







  

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#105. "RE: ???????????"
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I think it was a matter of all the asses that came before and this was just one ass to many.

Ranger Bob -- AKA Bobby



  

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ShellySat May-11-02 05:55 AM
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#104. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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There is a misconception I detect here. Many of you think, that the freak precipitated Grogan leaving. Not true. We all have to put up with a parade of pot shots from some people. There are several people that hang around just waiting for one of us to make a mistake, or God forbid, a typo. Then they pounce on it to demonstrate how clever they are, with the help of a dictionary, or text book. More often than not, I just laugh about it, knowing they are really exposing themselves as fools. But a thousand small cuts can kill. Sometimes the accumulated weight of these affronts can cause one to wonder if it's worth the effort, and a small push can drive you over the edge.

If the sum total of all the people who come here comprise our body politic, then the freak is merely a pimple on its ass. Annoying but harmless.

Some of you have failed to learn the social graces, like when you are a guest in someones home, it is considered impolite to crap on the floor.

Shelly

  

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NormSat May-11-02 06:57 AM
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#109. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Shelly,

You have summed it up well.

Thank you.

Norm




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#110. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Right, thanks for posting that.

  

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#111. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Shelly (Reply # 104)


          

And, Shel, as you'll agree, it's also totally bad to crap on your own floor. That's what this poor fool, and those like him, do. Idiots like this just crap on their own heads. And, fortunately, that ain't easy. Somehow they get it done.

BTW, Grogan is king. Long live the king.

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#113. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Its good to be the King

  

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#112. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Shelly (Reply # 104)


  

          

Glad to hear from you, Shelly. I sort of left and went back to lurking.When I need answers I can get into archives and dig up the answers. I miss all you mods. Just waiting for the loudmouthed freaks to find somewhere else to hang out. To paraphrase Marti. Just wish to hell they would shut up. What you guys have taught me is appreciated. Thanks Pat

  

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#115. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to whipat (Reply # 112)


          

Grogan, it is very obvious to anyone who reads these posts, that with exception of one or two posters, you are very much liked and so very much respected on this board. Your absence would create a big void here. Your expertise is much needed by me and a lot of others just starting out.
Please re-consider your actions. Quit only if you must, but please think about staying.


Ask yourself, would this board be better off without me? The answer is so obvious. It is no!

Please Stay!



  

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#117. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Hauxfan (Reply # 115)


  

          

You've got mail...

Just heared from Grogan that he's doing OK after reading this thread. He may have slammed the door but did not weld it shut.

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#128. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I formated my Linux DRIVE today. Whats the use, without GROGAN here There is no hope at all of me learning linux. GROGAN get your butt BACK HOME!!!!!

  

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#116. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
In response to Grogan (Reply # 0)


  

          

I was hoping this could be prevented, I'd noticed that Grogen had been posting less although a question on Linux would pull him out of his lair. Shelly took a break a while back, sometimes you need to stop count to 10 or 10,000,00 , read a book run around the block or whatever. I hope Grogan will take an indetermined amount of leave and return when he feels good about it again. We will miss you and hope to see you again in the future Grogan.

Ethan

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#118. "Time to move on...."
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Time to close this thread folks and move on. Whatever Grogans decision is I am sure that we will all respect it. Hopefully we all learn from this. This forum may have been very, very close to closing. Time for readers to appreciate the time and effort put in by the PC911 Team...volunteers remember.

Hardware Freak, by your own words you were the catylyst for this. You weren't the only reason for this happening, the general BS by some Trolls has been building for a while. Read carefully Shelly's postings. IMO, you own a lot of the blame in this situation. I've made my reason's perfectly clear. Your motives are crystal clear to some of now. Time to look in the mirror Bud and reflect on what you are. We'll be watching you.

  

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#119. "RE: Time to move on...."
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GADAM it G!

If you don't reconsider after all THIS, I will personally dig up that TORSTAR article on you, post it here, and we will FIND you, and DRAG your sorry a** to a pc (probably already there eh?) and get you to POST!

BREATHE Greg, Breathe!

Okay, from what I know of your situation, and you know of mine, life will always be a little more challenging. Rooms get a little smaller, the day becomes a little duller, and we begin to wonder...

At one point in time, you DID enjoy PC911, as I do, and hope to always. There have been many a poster here indicating their understanding, and reluctant acceptance of your decision. At the same time, people have asked you, alright, some have begged you, to just take a breather. Recharge those batteries. Good advice.

On a more personal level, never, ever, compromise who you are, and what you stand for. You will ALWAYS be a lesser man for it. You recognized you needed a break, and took one. You SHOULD be commended for this.

Take the break, (come back and you WILL come back) you've earned it.

For now then, take care.

Greg


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#120. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Thanks for responding to my email Grogan. Didn't want to get drawn into this debate.

  

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#121. "dear Preterb"
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Not that is my bussiness, but why did you post that here then?

Actually I wanted to post: "Thanks for send me a picture of you naked, I didn't want you to post it on the forum." LOL!

Now that I have the computer on...

Hey Lil'Joe, please tell your sister that I don't want to date her anymore.

Hey Norm, glad to see you back!, by the way, the medication you are looking for is Preparation H.

Alex, if I had so many problems with the IRS I would run out of the country.

Spezi, that's an ugly and uncomfortable place to have a wart!

Ay, ay, ay ROPera, you are getting sickier and sickier everyday...

  

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#123. "RE: dear Preterb"
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Ropera...

I have always wondered... as we know, medical products are tested prior to being released to the public, right? So, whatever happened to the guys who tested Preperation B, or Preperation G.

Just wondering!

DATERMINEHTOR


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#125. "RE: dear Preterb"
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A lot of them hang out here.

  

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#127. "RE: dear Preterb"
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That would account for the irritating a** phenomenon.

  

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#122. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Hey -- I'm really sorry to hear that someone messed around with
you. I can't count the number of times you've personally helped me.
Can't say I blame you. I see you guys help hundreds every week and
am not quite sure how you have the stamina to do it. I'm sure I've asked questions that have been asked before, and still got a nice answer from someone. Have I ever got a rude answer? Yes, but not from you, and when I did, I probably deserved it. So basically if people want free help they should learn to zip their lips and try to behave. I got some paid "advice" from a local computer shop that ended up costing me at least $60 and hours in aggravation and frustration. Some guys here -- and you in particular -- fixed the problem for me, and for free.

Thanks for all your help. Good luck whereever you go and whatever you do.


  

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#124. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Well put Boar and ideally a path that all should follow.

The main lesson to be learned here is "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" just be happy it's a gift. End of story.

  

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t_bareMon May-13-02 12:13 AM
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#126. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Boy this thread is getting long..

Just wanted to add that anyone who believes that Grogan (at least the Grogan I know) would leave because of the words of just one person in here, well thats just not gonna happen.


I look forward to your return Grogan.
Enjoy the break.

Gone Fishin??
Dont let the sand sharks in the boat. They got this real nasty little spike.. but you probably know that too.

t_bare





  

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LilJoeSat Apr-24-04 10:04 PM
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#130. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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What a way to spend a rainey saturday when the forum is slow.

LilJoe

  

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DarrenSat Apr-24-04 10:42 PM
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#134. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Not funny. Why does a two year old topic have to be dug up out of the archives? Especially since it don't help anyone solve anything.

  

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threedogSat Apr-24-04 10:47 PM
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#135. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I too am going to miss Grogan. I like his to the point manner. He has helped me on a number of occasions both here and at BBT. To lose him is going to be a great loss.

  

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HugoSat Apr-24-04 10:25 PM
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#131. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Grogan, I have learned a lot from your post's , you have shared a lot of knowledge with us. I wish you the best in whatever you do. And you are one heck of a smart guy and will be missed. All the best to you my friend.

Keep On Keeping On

  

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Night_rider666Sat Apr-24-04 10:35 PM
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#132. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Calm down Hugo!!
Was all along time ago

L'il Joe been reading about old times.
Nearly got me too when I first saw the post but then recognised it and spotted the date




'Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity'

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micksterSat Apr-24-04 10:37 PM
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#133. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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>Grogan, I have learned a lot from your post's , you have
>shared a lot of knowledge with us. I wish you the best in
>whatever you do. And you are one heck of a smart guy and will
>be missed. All the best to you my friend.


Whoa!!!! I believe Lil Joe dredged this thread out from the archives as a matter of personal amusement. I don't think Grogan's going anywhere...hopefully.

  

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LLSat Apr-24-04 10:50 PM
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#136. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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I am certain most people are not getting their wish!
I would like to thank you again for the help you have given me over the years.
I know you have to do what is best for you and your health but you will certainly be missed.
I hope you want mind me adding my name to the list of people that are sad to see you leaving.
Thanks again.
God Bless.
LL

  

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Night_rider666Sat Apr-24-04 10:53 PM
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#137. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Sat Apr-24-04 10:54 PM by Night_rider666

  

          


***THIS THREAD IS NEARLY TWO YEARS OLD***





'Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity'

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Digiti 123Sat Apr-24-04 10:54 PM
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#138. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Dear Grogan,
It is indeed a shame that you have made this decision. I can not express the thanks I owe you for the help and knowledge you have imparted to me personally, and to others through your posts. Please reconsider.You will be missed!
Sincerely,


Digiti 123 aka Robert


  

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martiSat Apr-24-04 10:58 PM
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#139. "RE: Some of you are getting your wish..."
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This thread is almost two years old! I'm locking it to avoid further confusion!!!!

marti

  

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