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IanwThu Dec-10-09 01:29 PM
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"This is a family forum..."


          

Yep, this is a family forum so its not very good to see bad language posted in it, before I go any further I use it but only when / where its OK to do so.

Have you noticed that there are a lot of members who are not very
prevalient in the forum now, could the bad language have anything to do with that, I know of a few but I will not mention names, people really are offended by it

I know that there is a lot of it being posted and its removed but it should not be there in the first place.

Please show consideration to others.
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amukThu Dec-10-09 02:00 PM
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#1. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Thu Dec-10-09 02:01 PM by amuk

          

Yes, bad language can be distracting. Could you post a list of the bad words so that we aren't likely to use them in the future? THose of us who are uncouth may not be aware of them as offensive

  

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#2. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I have often wondered about this as I, on occasion, have seen profanity, sometimes from very respected contributors. I agree that it would be better without the profanity.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#3. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am not supporting the use of profanity but honestly when was the last time we had a post from someone under the age of majority?I doubt anyone has been scarred and it is not prevalent enough to worry about.

  

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#4. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Actually, it's quite prevalent. See my post in Ian's identical topic in the OT lounge.

Jim.

  

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#5. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I guess it must be because it doesn't bother me that I don't really see it.Though I must admit sometimes I find it curious why someone would inject certain words into a conversation that I only use with coworkers and usually about management

  

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#6. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am not supporting the use of profanity but honestly when was the last time we had a post from someone under the age of majority?I doubt anyone has been scarred and it is not prevalent enough to worry about.

Now, we all know that there are far more people registered here than participate, some of which may be "under the age of majority", whatever that is and there are likewise members are women. However, what you haven't taken into account, or at least failed to mention, is that there are doubtless far more people who visit here who have not registered. I used to recommend this board as the #1 place to get information and help to everyone, which included quite a large number of young people and women (they use computers too). But I have not done so for quite some time due to this issue. It saddens me to have had to make this decision since I do believe that PC Q&A is, in fact, the most reliable source of its kind on the Internet.

Jeff
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#7. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Thu Dec-10-09 03:14 PM by Ianw

          

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Now, we all know that there are far more people registered here than participate, some of which may be "under the age of majority", whatever that is and there are likewise members are women. However, what you haven't taken into account, or at least failed to mention, is that there are doubtless far more people who visit here who have not registered. I used to recommend this board as the #1 place to get information and help to everyone, which included quite a large number of young people and women (they use computers too). But I have not done so for quite some time due to this issue. It saddens me to have had to make this decision since I do believe that PC Q&A is, in fact, the most reliable source of its kind on the Internet.
Jeff
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Pilgrim,
A very good post, it just about says it all.


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HoratioThu Dec-10-09 06:16 PM
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#12. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I used to recommend this board as the #1 place to get information and help to everyone, which included quite a large number of young people and women (they use computers too). But I have not done so for quite some time due to this issue. It saddens me to have had to make this decision since I do believe that PC Q&A is, in fact, the most reliable source of its kind on the Internet.


You don't recommend this site due to this issue? You mean 'naughty words'?

What kind of a vacuum bottle do you live in Man?

My job puts me in close proximity daily to people of all ages and from all social groups from the top to the bottom. It may come as a shock to you to learn that most 13 year old girls use far worse language in their normal day to day conversation with their friends than anything I've ever read on this forum.

Stick your head back in the sand and go to sleep.

  

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#13. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"It may come as a shock to you to learn that most 13 year old girls use far worse language in their normal day to day conversation with their friends than anything I've ever read on this forum"

This is very very true. I think after this generation they will be making many changes to the "Webster Dictionary".

I will try to clean it up because using language like that really is not necessary and if it offends anyone why do it? It won't defrag your hard drive any faster. I rather enjoy it sometimes especially when Grogan does it. It's funny to me and lightens up the atmosphere at times. I would forgive Grogan for just about anything for all his input here.

  

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#14. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Stick your head back in the sand up your ass and go to sleep.


There, fixed that for you.

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#15. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Stick your head back in the sand up your ass and go to sleep.


There, fixed that for you.

Grogan, you're a Jewel.

Don't ever quit this Forum.

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#16. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You don't recommend this site due to this issue? You mean 'naughty words'?

What kind of a vacuum bottle do you live in Man?

My job puts me in close proximity daily to people of all ages and from all social groups from the top to the bottom. It may come as a shock to you to learn that most 13 year old girls use far worse language in their normal day to day conversation with their friends than anything I've ever read on this forum.

Stick your head back in the sand and go to sleep.

I don't live in a vacuum, in case you didn't notice since I am still alive, well and kickin'.

So, if 13 year old girls decide to mass murder their parents then I guess you would simply turn a blind eye or perhaps follow suit? Of course, not... at least we all hope that wouldn't be the case. But, it is hoped you get the point. We all have standards of decency, propriety, respect, etc. The difference, of course, is where those "standards" originate. I mean there is even "honor among thieves". Is anything/everything that the world at large does determine how you treat your wife, children, girl friend, boss, et al? I seriously doubt it does as there are many things others do that you find objectionable or even wrong.

The issue here is who is it that PC Q&A desires to provide its excellent help and advice? Is it simply those who pride themselves in using profanity? Or, is it as lanw has mentioned in this topic, "family"; men, women and youngsters? If the latter, then it is going to limit itself considerably allowing profanity to be used. If the former, then let it continue in its current policy and cater to a limited group. Shamefully, this would say much about PC Q&A which personally I wouldn't be so quick to brag about.

It's unfortunate that such a small minority can detract from what PC Q&A has to offer and has offered over the years of which I have immensely benefited.

Jeff
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#17. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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That was well stated. I would add that since this is a site with professional information that it should be treated with a professional attitude. How many professional companies providing professional services subject their customers with profanity (other than Hollywood)? This site should run with the spirit of excellence. Profanity doesn't fit into that spirit of excellence.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#21. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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It is a site run by hobbyists. Myself, I will not put on airs of professionalism for anyone. This place is for us to have our fun too.

It shouldn't be too excessive, but if folks fall out of line at times, it's just part of forum life.

Bad words can be offensive, depending on context though.

Grogan

  

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#18. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Thu Dec-10-09 08:00 PM by jmc

          

Jeff it's really not that big of a problem here. It's not like every post has the "F" word in it. I don't see what the big deal is and why an occasional nasty word is such a problem with people. The problems this place solves far out weighs any use of "Controversial" language. Why was this "This is a family forum" post even deemed necessary or warranted? Go rent almost any Movie these days and you will hear much worse than anything ever typed here. It's in the popular culture these days and most people could not care less. In a way it humanizes this place and makes you feel like your talking to real people not some IT professional charging you 120.00 an hour. These are people out of the goodness of their hearts helping in any way they can for FREE! Grogan say SHIT, DAM and OPPS....FU**, all you want brother.

  

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DocThu Dec-10-09 08:02 PM
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#19. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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So, if it was popular culture to kill yourself, would you do that?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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So, if it was popular culture to kill yourself, would you do that?


That is not a very good analogy and you know it.

  

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Why not? Some cultures killed their own children. So, if it was popular culture to kill their children, would you do it?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Why not? Some cultures killed their own children. So, if it was popular culture to kill their children, would you do it?


If this culture told me I was going to hell and gods wrath would come down on me if I didn't. Yes I suppose I would.

  

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#26. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I mean there is even "honor among thieves"

Er no there isn't who ever said that was naive as well.Get over it if you think people have left due to bad language I think it was other reasons or if it was their loss.To give up on a generally friendly place to get help for that reason they must be the same people I kick off my porch.

  

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#28. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Let me put it in perspective. Not everyone cares for the profanity. But, if it isn't present, those that don't care about the profanity won't care that there isn't any either. Shouldn't we strive for wanting the greatest number of people here rather than some leaving because they are offended by the language? And, shouldn't we set the bar high and set the example for others to follow instead of just following everyone else?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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And, shouldn't we set the bar high and set the example for others to follow instead of just following everyone else?


NO NO NO, you mean set the bar up to your narrow minded self righteous little idea of morality decency.

We should have a bit of fun, be ourselves, and try to help people with their problems if we can without having to conform to anyone's out of touch, make believe idea of morality.



  

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What's wrong with decency?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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I don't think he meant there was anything wrong with decency just your narrow view of what that is actually.

  

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NO NO NO, you mean set the bar up to your narrow minded self righteous little idea of morality decency.

Funny, those of us who are wanting some semblance of respect shown for those who come here for professional advice can hardly be accused of being "self-righteous", when the concern is for others. Seems there are other things you are lacking, e.g., discernment and sound judgment. Secondly, I hardly think that Doc's views are actually a "little idea of morality", since they are held or at least were held by the vast majority of Americans for centuries. This type of nonsensical thinking, if one could even consider it as 'thinking' is the one which is actually narcissistic and libertarian which cares little for anyone else. Held consistently, one would have to say that Hitler had a right to do what he did during the Holocaust. For to judge what he did as wrong could be classified as a "narrow-minded, self-righteous little idea of human dignity."

"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."

You may have the last word here if you like, which undoubtedly will be less than decent.

Jeff
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QUOTE:
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NO NO NO, you mean set the bar up to your narrow minded self righteous little idea of morality decency.

Funny, those of us who are wanting some semblance of respect shown for those who come here for professional advice can hardly be accused of being "self-righteous", when the concern is for others. Seems there are other things you are lacking, e.g., discernment and sound judgment. Secondly, I hardly think that Doc's views are actually a "little idea of morality", since they are held or at least were held by the vast majority of Americans for centuries. This type of nonsensical thinking, if one could even consider it as 'thinking' is the one which is actually narcissistic and libertarian which cares little for anyone else. Held consistently, one would have to say that Hitler had a right to do what he did during the Holocaust. For to judge what he did as wrong could be classified as a "narrow-minded, self-righteous little idea of human dignity."

"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."

You may have the last word here if you like, which undoubtedly will be less than decent.

Jeff
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Killing your Children and Hitler. I really don't understand where your coming from here. How can you equate a few "what you call nasty words" with that. Morality changes with the times. There was a time when women where not allowed to show their ankles. Do you believe this time honored for centuries belief is ok for this day and age?

  

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Killing your Children and Hitler. I really don't understand where your coming from here. How can you equate a few "what you call nasty words" with that.


It's an illustration of the slippery slope. I was going to explain this in a prior post; but, I changed my mind then; but, I will explain it now.

You let one thing slip and you slide into something worse. You let that slip and you slide into something even worse than that. On and on its goes. The predecessor to this forum wouldn't have allowed language, such as what we are talking about now, to occur 10 years ago. Slowly, over the years mild expletives came in. That was at some point allowed. Then more explicit language occurred. And that was allowed. Now, we allow the words we are talking about today. What will it be tomorrow? nearly every post has profanity? It's the slippery slope. The more you allow, the more that will occur, and the faster it becomes acceptable. It is happening, alarmingly, in society. It is no wonder our society is in the state that it is in.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Killing your Children and Hitler. I really don't understand where your coming from here. How can you equate a few "what you call nasty words" with that.


It's an illustration of the slippery slope. I was going to explain this in a prior post; but, I changed my mind then; but, I will explain it now.

You let one thing slip and you slide into something worse. You let that slip and you slide into something even worse than that. On and on its goes. The predecessor to this forum wouldn't have allowed language, such as what we are talking about now, to occur 10 years ago. Slowly, over the years mild expletives came in. That was at some point allowed. Then more explicit language occurred. And that was allowed. Now, we allow the words we are talking about today. What will it be tomorrow? nearly every post has profanity? It's the slippery slope. The more you allow, the more that will occur, and the faster it becomes acceptable. It is happening, alarmingly, in society. It is no wonder our society is in the state that it is in.

I really do understand how you feel. I also feel in most respects you are correct. If nothing is done with the little transgressions we could end up with a "Free for All" and this great forum could become like a drunken back room bar. I respect how you feel and feel you are correct in many ways. I am sure nobody here would like to see that either.

  

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#38. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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10 years ago we turned off the swear filter. I was here at that time. I am one of the founding members of this place, and I recall the way things were back then. Pcnineoneone was little more than a few articles and an eager webmaster when I got there. Even before the forum, which I helped shape. I was here every day answering questions and the language has not changed (It's still not excessive) and nobody waved rules around back then.

Also, your Hitler analogies are ridiculous. Typical.

The only slippery slope here is the one your credibility is sliding down.

Grogan

  

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I disagree. I have been around about as long as you Grogan; and, I don't recall language like we see today back then.

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No, we didn't get uppity over a bit of language. (not by itself, anyway)

Perhaps I've missed some threads, because I haven't seen anything that bad here lately. Mind you I didn't see a particular post (the post that inspired this thread?) that I had heard was removed. But that shouldn't really count because it's something that was not allowed to stand.

Grogan

  

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Funny, those of us who are wanting some semblance of respect shown for those who come here for professional advice can hardly be accused of being "self-righteous", when the concern is for others


Your concern has nothing to do with others. What bothers you and feeble wits like you, is that other people don't share your simple good old God fearing ideas of propriety. And you just can't get over it.

  

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It is funny that those that are calling names are the ones that are opposed to the idea of decency in the language.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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After 5 pages of ad nasuem, I still can't figure out why this whole thing isn't where it belongs......Off Topic and not in this Help Forum.

  

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#43. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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It is.

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HoratioThu Dec-10-09 03:49 PM
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#8. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Have you noticed that there are a lot of members who are not very
prevalient in the forum now


I agree. above is a typical example of really bad language. The writer apparently has something he means to say, but is at a loss to find a word that conveys the meaning. Perhaps he meant 'prevalent' which means:

widespread; of wide extent or occurrence; in general use or acceptance.

but alas, prevalent doesn't really work.

What on earth does he mean?

Oh, and I do advocate a good measure of profanity on the forum. It sets us apart from the bland and the lifeless.

Take a look at what's going on in the world; open your eyes. There's much more to worry about than 'naughty words'..

  

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DocThu Dec-10-09 03:55 PM
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#9. "RE: This is a family forum..."
In response to Horatio (Reply # 8)
Thu Dec-10-09 03:56 PM by Doc

  

          

Quote:
There's much more to worry about than 'naughty words'..


If we can't get the little things (like naughty words) right, why even try with the big things?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#65. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Because the "big" things can destroy you.

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#10. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Damn it!

It was a simple and common mistake.



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#11. "RE: This is a family forum..."
In response to Horatio (Reply # 8)


  

          

Quote:
QUOTE:
Oh, and I do advocate a good measure of profanity on the forum. It sets us apart from the bland and the lifeless.

Take a look at what's going on in the world; open your eyes. There's much more to worry about than 'naughty words'..

And such a view reveals much more concerning one's character than one's cosmology or one's perception of the world.

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#23. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I used the "F" word the other day when Grogan was celebrating his "F-ing" birthday...he requested it. Under normal circumstances I would not use that kind of language. With my background in radio & TV, one of the first things we learn is to watch our mouth. That said,
I agree with the comment that Grogan is serving us well on PCQA&A...&
maybe we should cut him a little slack now and then. As for the rest of us, until such time that we are talented and skilled enough to take over from Grogan, maybe we should just shut up and learn...


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GroganThu Dec-10-09 08:26 PM
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#25. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I'm sure it wasn't me that prompted this thread (I'm just relating to it because there have been complaints about my language ) and indeed, it's not about me. It's about everyone.

It's just that some people are going to use a bit of "language" from time to time. It shouldn't be given too much attention.

Depending on context, it may be offensive and may be subject to moderation, though. Repeated jackass behaviour even without bad language may also be a problem.

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DavyWavyThu Dec-10-09 08:30 PM
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#27. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"Repeated jackass behaviour even without bad language may also be a problem."



DavyWavy -

  

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MSUThu Dec-10-09 10:30 PM
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#33. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Repeated jackass behavior even without bad language may also be a problem.

I do believe that is definitely a bigger problem. It's very easy to be offensive without uttering a single swear word.

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MSUThu Dec-10-09 10:26 PM
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#32. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Good lord! I hear more profanity walking around the local mall than I see posted here. I think this is a non-issue. Sure there is the occasional lapse in judgment, but it's far from rampant.

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rabgaryFri Dec-11-09 03:11 AM
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#44. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-11-09 03:15 AM by rabgary

  

          

This is a family forum..."

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#45. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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#46. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Welcome to the family.

  

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#49. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Thanks for the invitation!

  

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MSUFri Dec-11-09 04:07 AM
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#48. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Good one.

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#50. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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WOW..............

You guy's must all be old enough to remember it all started with that movie when Clarke Gable said "I don't giva..."

And the whole thing has gone to pieces since then

It's close to Christmas, lighten up dudes!

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#51. "RE: This is a family forum..."
In response to Pacific (Reply # 50)
Fri Dec-11-09 02:17 PM by Ianw

          


Theres one thing that you all missed and that is that this forum
survives on members donating to it, its the only forum that I know of that operates like that, I have no objections but its worth bearing in mind that there aren't many posts being started compared to
last year, there aren't many people frequenting the forum.
So the forum could fold 'cos the existing members possibly
can't or dont want to pay out a lot of cash to keep it affloat.

In the past 2 years quite a few members (me included) paid twice to enable the amount required to be met. The year 2010 may be very different, in some countries 2010 will be very bad due to loans for the recession having to be paid and massive cuts will be made to services, wages, job losses etc etc.
The Republic of Ireland in their budget last Tuesday have cut wages by up to and including 30% plus other measures.
The UK will be close to that and cash will be very scarce.

It's up you members now.

BTW, the swear words I'm referring to are :-
f***
f******
f*****
f*****
c***
b******

There are those that are not offensive, dammit, why not use them.

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EdFri Dec-11-09 01:29 PM
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#52. "My grandfather said it best"
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Fri Dec-11-09 01:47 PM by Ed

          

I am 77, so he was definitely from a different era. He was an immigrant who came through Ellis Island and he learned to speak English very well.
During that process, he came to the conclusion that there are "penny (swear words)" and nickel, dime etc words. His take was that people who use penny words were just too lazy to try and think of the nickel, etc, words or, just didn't know English well enough to use them. There are perfectly good proper english words that are much more biting and accurate than vulgar (to some), swear words. The English are especially adept at cutting you to pieces without using a single swear word. Churchill was a master. I envy their knowledge and vocabulary. I know it's a different age and morality, manners and ethics have all been dumbed down. Good manners used to be taught in schools. That doesn't mean we can't still strive for a higher standard. I certainly respect Grogan's knowledge and brain power and his language has shock power and is acceptable in his circles on a face to face basis. I know he, and others of the same ilk, are smart enough to use other language if they wanted to , but we sometimes, (myself included), succumb to habit and lose excellence along the way. It's not a matter of being prudish, but of just selecting different words that still have power.

End of sermon. Take your best shot.



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ShellyFri Dec-11-09 08:41 PM
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#66. "RE: This is a family forum..."
In response to Ianw (Reply # 51)


  

          

And I give you the same answer as when you posted that in the OT form:

Quote:
Apparently, you have not ventured into many forums. Someone can host a forum for a few friends from his home server, but any forum of this size professionally hosted on one of the worlds most reliable server farms must be financially supported somehow to pay $400 a month for that service and bandwidth. Your moderators are not going to pay for it!

If the day ever comes that members are not willing to contribute to this site, we will simply fold our tent. We are not the ones who need technical help, and we can certainly socialize in other places and ways.

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#53. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-11-09 03:05 PM by therube

  

          

I'll jump in here too (though I haven't read through all the posts.)

I agree with Ian on the language.

We know where it starts.
And then others will jump in (presumably) thinking it is "cool".

Well it isn't.
And it should not be here.


@amuk, I see your smiley so I have to assume you say that in jest.

> was the last time we had a post from someone under the age of majority

And just why should that make a difference.

> What kind of a vacuum bottle do you live in

Has nothing to do with a vacuum. People of any age use all kinds of language. It (foul language) goes on. We all know it. Doesn't mean we have to accept its usage where we have some control to limit it.

> if you think people have left due to bad language I think it was other reasons or if it was their loss

Agreed. The limited language here would not keep me away. Does not mean that I agree with it though.

> shouldn't we set the bar high and set the example for others to follow instead of just following everyone else?

Very good point.

> NO NO NO, you mean set the bar up to your narrow minded self righteous little idea of morality decency.

Wrong.

> We should have a bit of fun

And we still can.

> There was a time when women where not allowed to show their ankles.
> Do you believe this time honored for centuries belief is ok for this day and age?

Can you say, hijab. And what is "hijab" (the principle of dressing modestly)? Can't we speak, modestly.

> There's much more to worry about than 'naughty words'.

Of course there is. And your point?

> maybe we should cut him a little slack now and then. As for the rest of us, until such time that
> we are talented and skilled enough to take over, maybe we should just shut up and learn.

Agreed. He has his methods & mannerisms, & I grant him the slack he takes.

> I hear more profanity walking around the local mall

So? Does we need to have it in our house?

> I think this is a non-issue. Sure there is the occasional lapse in judgment, but it's far from rampant.

Pretty much. But it can't hurt to talk about it & try to limit it.

@rab has the idea

> That doesn't mean we can't still strive for a higher standard.

That says it all.


(My comments deal with the Computer Forum, not the OT.)

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#54. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Why are you guys so screwed up over this? IT IS NOT THAT BIG of a problem here. It's a friendly casual place where friends help friends and once in a great while they use a little creative language just as friends sometimes do. I don't understand why you guys are so upset.

  

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DocFri Dec-11-09 05:02 PM
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#55. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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We want everyone to feel welcome here. Some won't with the language occasionally used. And, we don't want to promote that language to children, whether or not some use it themselves. It's the golden rule. Treat everyone respectfully and ethically. We should promote that because this forum is open to everyone.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#56. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Quote:
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We want everyone to feel welcome here. Some won't with the language occasionally used. And, we don't want to promote that language to children, whether or not some use it themselves. It's the golden rule. Treat everyone respectfully and ethically. We should promote that because this forum is open to everyone.


This is a post from Noreen in the Off Topic area and I really respect her and she comes from a lot of wisdom.

"As far as I'm concerned this is a forum for and consisting of adults (broadly speaking). I don't use what I consider to be bad language but I'm not too bothered if others do, within reason. I think that we are all adult enough to know which swear words and off-colour jokes are generally acceptable in certain circumstances and which aren't. If everything here has to be suitable for the eyes and ears of children I'll give up. I believe that it's the moderators' job to watch this site for unacceptable behaviour and I'm happy to leave it to them."

Where do you guys get the impression this place is frequented by children? I have never seen anything here that implies that. This is and always has been a predominately adult forum. The ones upset seem to be closer to 80 years old. It's not a serious problem here and your making a mountian out of a mole hill. It's a great forum and feeling free and friendly about posting is one of the the things that make this a great forum. I got out of high school in 1972 and sure as HELL don't need it here. Lighten up and worry about important things.

  

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DocFri Dec-11-09 05:48 PM
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#57. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-11-09 05:49 PM by Doc

  

          

I am actually 38 years old, not even close to 80.

We don't know who visits here without those people actually registering and posting. But, this isn't really an "adult" forum. Kids can be here; and, we don't even know it. Some adults may be taken aback by the language. I, myself, a long time user of both pcqanda.com and pc911.com was/is taken aback by some of the recent language of the last two/three years. Some may be more offended by it than others and choose to leave. It hasn't come to that for me, yet. But, it could if it becomes more prevalent. If we are to stay true to the mission of this site, we are here to help everyone. We can't stay true to that mission if we are offending some through the way we behave. The recent culture's stance is "can't we all get along?" But, they people only want that as long as "I can do everything I want". There can be a conflict there. The sad fact is, people don't realize the potential conflict in that.

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#58. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Quote:
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I am actually 38 years old, not even close to 80.

We don't know who visits here without those people actually registering and posting. But, this isn't really an "adult" forum. Kids can be here; and, we don't even know it. Some adults may be taken aback by the language. I, myself, a long time user of both pcqanda.com and pc911.com was/is taken aback by some of the recent language of the last two/three years. Some may be more offended by it than others and choose to leave. It hasn't come to that for me, yet. But, it could if it becomes more prevalent. If we are to stay true to the mission of this site, we are here to help everyone. We can't stay true to that mission if we are offending some through the way we behave. The recent culture's stance is "can't we all get along?" But, they people only want that as long as "I can do everything I want". There can be a conflict there. The sad fact is, people don't realize the potential conflict in that.


I agree with you but I don't see what the big problem is. It's not like everybody is using foul language. What do you expect? You want the internet police to come in and flag every "Shit" somebody posts. You want a perfect world you will need to meet your maker for that. I could see your point if everybody was f'n this and f'n that. That is just not the case

  

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DocFri Dec-11-09 06:41 PM
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#59. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-11-09 06:42 PM by Doc

  

          

I guess I would like to see everyone police themselves from using the foul language. It's funny, we tell our children not to use profanity. Then, we turn around and use it ourselves. It is as if it is okay if you are an adult. I think it is childish. We can truly be adults by NOT using it.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#60. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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It's not like everybody is using foul language

No, it's just a few of you who do.

Here's a recap of the instances of the "f" word in 2009 to date, by forum. Note that the numbers represent the first and/or only instance in a thread - a couple of threads had members parrot the original instance.


Computer Forum - 11 threads with the "f" word. The break down: Grogan - 7, JMC - 1, ELI - 1, Mike1 - 1, jujet84 - 1 (in a Spybot malware update list).

OT Forum - 19 threads with the "f" word. The break down: Jazz4free - 1, EdW - 1, DavyWavy - 1 (after being directed by Grogan to "use REAL profanity in birthday greetings"), CompPete - 1, JMC - 3, Grogan - 8, Dave101 - 2, doctormidnight - 1, Pauliez - 1 (in his farewell rant).

Distributed Computing Forum - No instances of the "f" word in 2009, or indeed ever in the history of this forum.

Jim.


  

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amukFri Dec-11-09 07:10 PM
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#61. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Wow, good use of the search engine!
I've been slightly shocked at times by profanity on the forum(I don't expect to see it with level-headed adults discussing subjects where they actually have to write it. Writing it rather than saying it, means in my mind, that the explative is considered rather than spontaneous---therefore used for effect.)
I can't say, though, that it really bothers me. Heated exchanges on topics such as this one bother me more.

  

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#63. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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This really is tiresome, I agree, but what it really all boils down to is this:
there are a few people here ( a small minority of us ) who are genuinely offended by a word starting with F and ending with K. As to why they are offended, only they would know. Maybe it's a religious taboo for them or maybe just some vague idea of what's decent and what isn't.

But the real problem for them is not that some of us use profanity or that some kid who stops by may read the word - the thing that that really gets to them is that most people are not bothered in the least by it.
They want others to be offended like they are. It eats at them terribly when other people don't share their indignation.

  

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#67. "RE: This is a family forum..."
In response to Horatio (Reply # 63)
Fri Dec-11-09 08:45 PM by therube

  

          

Quote:
But the real problem


Aha. Maybe we're getting somewhere now?

My thought is that Ian see's other problems, & is using the language issue as a possible (partial) rationalization for what he see's. (And of course, he rightfully also does not like the language.)

Thinking his real fear is that this board will not survive.

(Or I could be wrong.)


PS: He isn't asking for much. Would you not do something so little to make things a bit better.

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#62. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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What if those people said F U and decided not to come here anymore? That was not a cool thing to do.

  

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#64. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-11-09 08:03 PM by MSU

  

          

Since you want to throw numbers around. In the past week, as of right now, there have been 700 posts. If that is an average week, then that works out to 36,400 posts for the past year. And a couple of you folks want to get your shorts all bunched up over 30 posts? Like I said before, this is a non-issue. I think Horatio is right:

Quote:
They want others to be offended like they are. It eats at them terribly when other people don't share their indignation.

MSU

  

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Jim, chalk me up for two.

  

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#68. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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http://www.pcqanda.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=176264&mesg_id=176264&page=#176280

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#69. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Things are really getting out of hand here folks. Could I suggest the moderators close this topic. It's a computer forum, not a commentary on society and individual likes/dislikes and beliefs or disbeliefs. It belongs in the offtopic lounge where we can all rant and rave to our hearts content.

  

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#70. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am not sure that I agree since we are discussing this forum in particular.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#71. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am not sure that I agree since we are discussing this forum in particular.


And Doc, What exactly is wrong with this forum? All I see is guys doing what ever they can to help whoever they can in any way they can. There is nothing wrong with this forum, it's the most down to earth most loving place any body can come for help and this whole stupid thread does nothing but make it look like a den of iniquity. Where is your sense of what is really right and just? The best thing I think we can do is just let this go. Let it go.

  

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DocSat Dec-12-09 12:04 AM
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#72. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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And Doc, What exactly is wrong with this forum?

You obviously haven't carefully read the thread.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#73. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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And obviously you aren't going to change your opinion and no I don't think you should and everyone else isn't going to change theirs.There we are are left with endless discussion going nowhere where if you like this place as much as you say you do this is doing more harm than a few naughty words here and there ever did.I don't think you are going to get what you want and if that is a deal breaker for you that's too bad and I really mean that as I think you are a person that likes to help when you can and that is a valuable asset around here.I really do think though that this is a tempest in a teapot.

  

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#76. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Are words like "fart" or "piss" alright or does every bodily function Offend you?

Shelly

  

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DocSat Dec-12-09 08:45 PM
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#83. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Shelly, you don't understand. This is not about me. It's about the whole forum. It's about who might not come because of things that happen here. I agree that the moderators don't want to moderate.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#86. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Doc why would you want to hurt good people that have been here keeping this place going. Who else puts in the time and effort for this place? If I was these guys I would tell you all to pound salt and just close this forum. Who needs it? Your all so critical and all most of you have been doing is coming here and just sucking up all the benifits of this forum. Shelly, Grogan are really the only guys that really care and are here day in and day out. How dare you guys for being so judgemental and critizing these good hearted people for doing anything. They have a life besides this forum and editing and watching and controlling everything that goes on is very time consuming and they are doing it for free. What is wrong with you!!

  

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DocSat Dec-12-09 09:47 PM
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#90. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am not questioning their loyalty to the forum. I am not questioning the time they put in. I am not questioning the commitment they have here. Is it too much to ask the moderators to moderate language that wouldn't be allowed on most other credible forums? The answer is no. That's all I am questioning.

You sir are trying to twist my statements into saying things they do not.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#99. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am not questioning their loyalty to the forum. I am not questioning the time they put in. I am not questioning the commitment they have here. Is it too much to ask the moderators to moderate language that wouldn't be allowed on most other credible forums? The answer is no. That's all I am questioning.

You sir are trying to twist my statements into saying things they do not.


I am not twisting anything you said.

"I agree that the moderators don't want to moderate"

The key word is "want" it just makes it sound like your saying they are purposely not doing their job. They are just human and you and the rest needs to cut them a little slack and not be so quick to jump on them for not doing things that are not really that important. An occasional nasty word is not really that important in the eyes of most people and they need to take care of more important things.

Here is a list of the Mods
TheAngelForever, marti, Paul D, Grogan, jasonlevine, SteveYandl, muckshifter, Shelly, crazyXgerman, Ttech

Where are these people? It's all left to Grogan and Shelly for the most part. What do you expect of these two guys? That's the point I am tring to make.

  

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#100. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"Here is a list of the Mods
TheAngelForever, marti, Paul D, Grogan, jasonlevine, SteveYandl, muckshifter, Shelly, crazyXgerman, Ttech

Where are these people? It's all left to Grogan and Shelly for the most part."


I think some of the Mods seem to appear when the topic is something that is "up their alley". Some more...some less. But I've never gone very long without a question being answered...have you?


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#101. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"Here is a list of the Mods
TheAngelForever, marti, Paul D, Grogan, jasonlevine, SteveYandl, muckshifter, Shelly, crazyXgerman, Ttech

Where are these people? It's all left to Grogan and Shelly for the most part."


I think some of the Mods seem to appear when the topic is something that is "up their alley". Some more...some less. But I've never gone very long without a question being answered...have you?


Yea that applies to SteveYandl he's the registry guy but I rarely see any imput from any of the others. It's charity so to speak and they are rarely visible. I don't mean to slight any of those people I just see a huge workload on the ones that are here. We need to be more understanding and not so quick to judge them.

  

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#102. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Agree...


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#108. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Quote:

I am not twisting anything you said.

"I agree that the moderators don't want to moderate"

The key word is "want" it just makes it sound like your saying they are purposely not doing their job.


The other key is that you have to place things in context. If you place my statement of "the moderators don't want to moderate" with my other statements, then you know that they don't moderate in the use of language, which the moderators do in just about every other serious forum I have ever been a part of. People love to take things out of context. That is what you did. So, you are twisting my words.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#318. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I for one am here every day, but as I agree with the overall policies of the longer-standing moderators, there's very little for me to do, other than delete the occasional spam thread and move misplaced threads to the correct forum.

It's certainly not a case of not wanting to moderate. I cosidered it an honour to be invited, and still do.

I don't post often in the computer forum because for the most part I lack the technical expertise. But that's not part of the job description.

And to suggest that Jason doesn't pull his weight here is downright insulting.




Paul D

  

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#75. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I will admit I am not prudish and couldn't care less if an occasional off-colour word or phrase pops up. Grogan's rants are especially entertaining, and look forward to them.

However, what disturbs me the most are the incessant, childish 'digs' appearing in this forum from a select few obnoxious and obviously belligerent individuals. Hearing grown, 'mature' adults acting like 4 year olds fighting in the sandbox ruins what is otherwise an excellent forum. I am certain that these behaviors are the real reason some people elect to leave the forum. I know I have been disgusted enough to steer clear on more than one occasion. I am more used to adults acting as such.

I won't bother mentioning names, as most here are aware of the culprits.

Dave

  

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#77. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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I've been a registered member here since 2002. I've made quite a number of friends, received wonderful advice and learned much here at PC Q&A. However, this thread and the others associated with it have brought much sadness to my heart due to the near total lack of consideration concerning the matter of lack of appropriate language used and the refusal of the "powers that be" to deal with it in a professional manner.

This is particularly illustrated HERE. Yes, the thread was moved to the "Off-Topic" forum but still allowed. The vitriol, rank and blasphemous language expressed especially by "jazz4free" along with not only the pragmatic excusing of it but in some cases approval of it, including the owner/moderators is simply shameful and inexcusable.

Of a truth, I belong to over 30 discussion boards of various types, some of which have members of nefarious character. But in not ONE of those forums is such debauchery and invective behavior allowed... NONE, I say would permit this type of thing to be posted on their forums.

In view of the attitude of the majority of those who have expressed their views who either approve of such antics or who dismiss this matter as insignificant, although thankfully there are a few who have been courageous enough to voice their opposition, I am making public what I had beforehand done in private, i.e., I am requesting that my account be removed. I trust the "owners/moderators" will honor this simple request.

Thank you!

Jeff
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#78. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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Bye.

Visit the Basement

  

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#80. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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Adam, nice to see you. Your acerbic wit has been missing from this little discussion .

MSU

  

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#82. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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This little discussion is, frankly, disgusting to me.

Grown adults that get insulted by mere words.

It's like I took a trip to 3rd grade with these series of posts.

For once, I've been biting my lip.

Visit the Basement

  

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#88. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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This is so silly and has gone on for so long, your lip must be bleeding profusely by now.

MSU

  

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#79. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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I am requesting that my account be removed.

Why? Any one who doesn't like the forum simply has to not come. No need to have their account removed. It's also been my experience here that those who stomp and pout and say they will no longer come here, do so in the hopes of getting a response that remedies their complaint. Those who have been truly fed up for whatever reason simply disappear and stop coming. They don't come and say "I'm leaving, so there".

MSU

  

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HoratioSat Dec-12-09 09:21 PM
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#87. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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It's also been my experience here that those who stomp and pout and say they will no longer come here, do so


Don't give him any ideas Mark...

  

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#89. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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It's also been my experience here that those who stomp and pout and say they will no longer come here, do so in the hopes of getting a response that remedies their complaint.


I doubt he stomped and pouted, but he did announce his leaving. And, he did come back. "Some of you are getting your wish..."
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Don't bother to reply, because I won't be coming back any time soon to read this.


Also, note how many of the participants in that thread no longer participate here.

Jim.

  

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#104. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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That thread is over 7 Years old, from PC911, many of the participants are still here, a few sadly are dead. Many of them I don't even remember.

Shelly

  

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#105. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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That thread is over 7 Years old, from PC911, many of the participants are still here, a few sadly are dead. Many of them I don't even remember.


and one more thing: every one of those posters except Hardware Freak (may he stay wherever he is) and one other fully supported Mike.

Jim,
are you suggesting there is a reason those people left that you know about but we don't?

  

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#81. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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Sat Dec-12-09 08:58 PM by jmc

          

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I've been a registered member here since 2002. I've made quite a number of friends, received wonderful advice and learned much here at PC Q&A. However, this thread and the others associated with it have brought much sadness to my heart due to the near total lack of consideration concerning the matter of lack of appropriate language used and the refusal of the "powers that be" to deal with it in a professional manner.

This is particularly illustrated HERE. Yes, the thread was moved to the "Off-Topic" forum but still allowed. The vitriol, rank and blasphemous language expressed especially by "jazz4free" along with not only the pragmatic excusing of it but in some cases approval of it, including the owner/moderators is simply shameful and inexcusable.

Of a truth, I belong to over 30 discussion boards of various types, some of which have members of nefarious character. But in not ONE of those forums is such debauchery and invective behavior allowed... NONE, I say would permit this type of thing to be posted on their forums.

In view of the attitude of the majority of those who have expressed their views who either approve of such antics or who dismiss this matter as insignificant, although thankfully there are a few who have been courageous enough to voice their opposition, I am making public what I had beforehand done in private, i.e., I am requesting that my account be removed. I trust the "owners/moderators" will honor this simple request.

Thank you!

Jeff
simul iustus et peccator


You ever hear of that thing called "Freedom of Speech" The Mods here are honoring that simple fact. They are not at fault here for anything but allowing freedom and letting someone say what they really mean. Your being ridiculous in stating this and blaming them for any wrong doing. They are allowing what someone really wants to say and in the context of the words was quite appropriate. Go away if you want to live in a society that governs and polices every little word or action "You Deem" wrong. I love the fact they let that in and I hold them in the highest regard. You want every word, feeling and thought controlled go live or post in a place where they tell you when it's ok to take a SHIT. These Mods are the f**king BEST!!!

  

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DocSat Dec-12-09 09:10 PM
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#85. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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Freedom comes with responsibilities. Those responsibilities are not to be taken lightly. Instead of freedom, it sounds like you want chaos.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#84. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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Jeff, you will be missed. Bless you.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#91. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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I just got here and am trying to keep up...so far, I count lanw
and Pilgrim as being gone, correct?


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jbmcmillanSat Dec-12-09 10:07 PM
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#92. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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Yeah but why announce it like MSU said just go if it upsets you.What is the next post "I really really mean it this time"?

  

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#93. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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It doesn't upset me...I'm just counting noses...does that upset you?
Why is everyone so testy around here today?


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#94. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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My old Dad used to say "If you need to use bad language in your conversation then you don't have a great command of the language".

  

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#95. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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Not upset or testy just asking why announce they are leaving nothing to do with you keeping track

  

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#96. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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I didn't announce they are leaving...THEY announced they are leaving...


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#97. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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lol That's what I meant sorry if it didn't come across that way.Who's testy lol

  

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#98. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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DavyWavy -

  

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#106. "RE: This is a family forum... that has no shame!"
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No, actually we won't. Your account will not be removed because it will disconnect all your posts. (they'll revert to guest posts)

If you want to leave you are welcome to just not come back, but we're not making a mess of the threads just because you want your account deleted.

I'm here to stay as long as there is a pcqanda, for I have a lot more responsibility here than I did in 2002. As long as I'm here I'll carry on as I see fit. If I am asked to leave I will, but until then, while I live and breathe, I'm not going to let a few self righteous pantomimes tell me, or the rest of the membership, how to act. (This is also in response to Jim pulling up that old thread from 2002)

Grogan

  

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#103. "RE: To whom it may concern"
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Rab

  

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#107. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Jesus Christ people, it's an internet forum. Seriously, who cares?


http://cyclingcaptured.com

  

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#109. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Sun Dec-13-09 03:05 AM by Doc

  

          

Taking the Lord's name in vain? This is the very thing that can offend people.

As a side, do you see that people tend to want everyone to get along and not make a ruckus; but, when something happens that could offend a Christian, it is pushed aside like nothing happens? Look at the world today. If you say something against Islam or some other major religion, you are torn down by just about everyone. But, if it is against Christianity, its like nothing happened. Why is that?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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jbmcmillanSun Dec-13-09 03:19 AM
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#111. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Keep religion out of any public forum regardless of what it is.If you want to find offense anywhere anytime in this world you can if that's what you want to do.You can talk how you like and I will talk how I like.The reason I believe that this doesn't happen on any of the forums you frequent is because you have a tendency to gravitate to ones that have like minded people that belong to them.Fair enough but when you come across one that maybe doesn't emulate your belief system don't try to club people with your version of "decency" as you are coming across as someone who thinks they are better somehow and you follow the moral "high ground".I know any number of people that swear like troopers but I will put up against anyone in this world as far as real "decency" goes.Words are not the measure of someones worth actions are.Edit:Since you brought up religion I for one would be gone in a second if I thought this forum was affiliated to any religion or it's belief system.

  

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DocSun Dec-13-09 03:32 AM
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#112. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Sun Dec-13-09 03:37 AM by Doc

  

          

I am not suggesting the forum should be affiliated with a religion.

If religion should be kept out of any public forum, if that is indeed true, then potentially offending statements toward a religion (such as the one I replied to above) should also be kept out. And, if we are censoring out religion, then why stop there? What else should be censored? It sounds like the moderators won't censor anything here. What does get censored?

I gravitate toward forums with my tastes? I've been here for close to 10 years. If I gravitate toward those forums of my taste, if this is indeed true, then this forum has gravitated away from me. However, I attest that your suggestion isn't correct.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#113. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I came to this forum from the old Win Mag days, I came to learn about my computer its programs and such. I still learn every day on the computer side. If the OTL side went the way of the dinosaurs it would not break my heart. I however think it should stay it allows one to vent even though I think there has been a certain bias shown by some that are responsible for that side off this forum. I also belong to other forums that are in some instances are Program and or equipment specific such as the Windows tech net forum and ASUS user Forum.
I have always recommended this forum the computer side to friends that are seeking solutions to their problems.

  

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#114. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Just to add to what JBM said so well, I'm wondering what in the name of Christ offends you about what Anthony said. What could it possible be that offends you about something that really has been a part of speech in the English language for the last 5 or 6 hundred years or so used by adherents and non adherents to all religions.

What do you mean 'in vain' do you think God batted an eye when Anthony said that.
What does it have to do with you or Christianity or God?

I recommend a nice 'Faith Based' discussion board for you.

  

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DocSun Dec-13-09 03:58 AM
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#115. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Yep, God takes His Word seriously. He takes His commandments seriously. God is patient; but, He will only put up with things for so long. Just ask the Jews.

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#116. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Can we all agree that we need to MODERATE profanity and that we have Moderaters to do that job.

Further, perhaps it's time to close this cotton picken thread!

trapper

  

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DocSun Dec-13-09 04:13 AM
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#117. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I can agree to that, if the moderators take the job of moderating the offensive language seriously.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#118. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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if the moderators take the job of moderating the offensive language seriously.




Thankfully the mods here have a rather firm grip on reality and don't need to waste time doing that.

I want the mods to continue reading posts about computer problems, and spend time answering them. Or, spend time in the OT engaging the top headline of the day or the newest breakthrough in science. NOT, skimming through every written letter looking for what may or may not be offensive to the millions of different personalities on the internet that have access to read it.


Offensive is what you make of it. Frankly I detest people like you, and find your type of attitude extremely offensive -- and unfortunately, sheltered. But, of course, you don't think you're being offensive at all! And that is fair -- it's fine.

However, you're never going to see me demand (or request) that the mods edit out the posts of what I personally think is offensive, because that would be silly. Silly, that I would think for a second that anyone gives a damn about what I personally consider offensive.

This is a public forum. Meaning, while we are here, we are in "virtual" public. All of us are standing in the shopping mall right now, Doc and you're asking a security guard to censure (or have removed) the guy that just asked you where the ""F" Santa is, up in this bitch." If you're offended by the actions of the public, you might as well stay home. Wait a minute...now we're back at sheltered...

Within the confines of my home (not public), I make the rules.

This irritates me especially so, because I had a relative that was like this. As an example...the only type of movie he and his family were allowed to watch, were G rated movies, because it was the only way that he would not be subjected to offensive material from a Hollywood movie. A grown man acted like this! It's very childish and, like I said earlier, disgusting.

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#119. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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So, what you're saying is, if one is in a public place, anything goes? Talk the way you want no matter who is around you? No concideration for the rest of the people that are there?

Know the difference between a rough bar and a quiet lounge? The MIC (man in charge). After one visit, the patrons know the difference. They then make a choice the next time they go out for a cold one. Some don't care where they go, as long as the beer is cold. Others do care, no matter how cold the beer is. If they don't like the atmosphere, they don't go back. Just like public forums.

Nightly Reader

  

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#123. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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It is the way society is going, unfortunately. As I mentioned earlier, people say that we should all get along. But that only goes as far as when the same people can do or say whatever they want. There is a lack of respect in society anymore. That is one responsibility of the freedom we have that we are losing. It is sad. People claim they have freedom, which they do in this country, more than in any other, to do whatever they want. However, they forget that freedom has responsibilities. They also forget that their actions have consequences.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#124. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Why are you still at this. Quit. If you don't like it here, leave. You keep at this. It should be apparent to you by now that you are not going to change things to your liking. If you don't approve of how the forum is going, delete the bookmark, change your home page.

  

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#125. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am still at this for the betterment of this forum and perhaps the members that are here.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#126. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am still at this for the betterment of this forum and perhaps the members that are here.


If someone posts something you disapprove of how about just posting a little note about it and perhaps they can edit their post and remove it. I am sure most would have no problem with that. I know I would not. Perhaps you have already achieved your directive only time will tell. Wait and see if there are any more posts with profanity. This could already be solved and you just need to give it time.

  

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#128. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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That's a load of it and you know it.Things are not going to change to your liking.Get off the high horse and stay or leave as you see fit now it's about being divisive and bickering which you seem to think is alright.Doesn't seem to be very "christian".This went from a few bad words to the decline of modern civilization what a load of horse hockey.You're like a dog with a dishrag won't let go.Betterment in whose eyes yours and a about 2 or 3 others?Hardly the majority in any case.Now it's all about you. BS

  

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#130. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You have a right to your wrong opinion.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#139. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Yes this a free society last I looked and Shelly's post sums it up better than I could.Most of what you called "bad language" happens in the OT which is not the major reason this site is around.Your opinion about this is just that yours and a few others and you have every right to it.This does not mean the majority sees it that way or you have the right to force what you believe down anyone's throat.If you believe this is for the betterment fair enough but you are deluding your self.I don't even use "bad language" (here) but I still feel censorship in of itself is a bad thing when carried to the extent you are suggesting.

  

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#141. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Obviously, you do have some moral fiber. As you grow older, you may understand.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#131. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am still at this for the betterment of this forum and perhaps the members that are here.


Now that is really good...our savior ( I use the word loosely - as a person who saves or rescues, not as a term for any religious figure)

A pathetic little 'Creeping Jesus' (to borrow a metaphor from Orwell) like you is going to work for the betterment of all of us.

In all my years here at this forum and the PC911 forum, I must say you really are the most detestable character I can remember.

  

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#132. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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That's a bit harsh.

Shelly

  

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#135. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Yes, but just a bit. I find attitudes like his detestable as well.

The "creeping Jesus" quote was apt. It generally refers to the typical high handed, martyred christian hypocrite who is only too happy to get slapped around, as long as they put on a show of piety to prove their holiness. Nowadays it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion, but can refer to any righteous hypocrite making a lot of noise or causing problems for others.

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#140. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Again, do you have any moral fiber?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#143. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Jeez I give up you really are an ass.Moral fiber you don't even know what that really means outside of your narrow view.Tunnel vision.

  

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It really isn't moral if there are multiple versions.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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It really isn't moral if there are multiple versions.


Morality

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") has three principal meanings.

In its first, descriptive usage, morality means a code of conduct or a set of beliefs distinguishing between right and wrong behaviors. In its descriptive use, morals are arbitrarily and subjectively created by philosophy, religion, and/or individual conscience. An example of the descriptive usage could be "common conceptions of morality have changed significantly over time." The arbitrariness of morality stems from the observation that actions that may be deemed moral in one culture in time may not be classified as such in others or in a different time. The subjectiveness of morality is shown by the observation that actions or beliefs which by themselves do not seem to cause overt harm may be considered immoral, e.g. marrying someone of the same or opposite gender, being an atheist or a theist, etc. Descriptive morality does not explain why any behavior should be considered right or wrong, only that it may be classified so. For the most part right and wrong acts are classified as such because they cause benefit or harm, respectively. However, this is not by any means an all encompassing criterion; it's possible that many moral beliefs are due to prejudice, ignorance or even hatred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

  

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#151. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I suppose yours is the only right one?There are multiple versions of a god I suppose they are all wrong as well?

  

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There is only one real God.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Those that stand up for what is right are usually detested while doing it.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#173. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am still at this for the betterment of this forum

Here, here.


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and perhaps the members that are here/

Based on any number of the comments here, that is going to be a hard sell .

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#122. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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This irritates me especially so, because I had a relative that was like this. As an example...the only type of movie he and his family were allowed to watch, were G rated movies, because it was the only way that he would not be subjected to offensive material from a Hollywood movie. A grown man acted like this! It's very childish and, like I said earlier, disgusting.


It just proves that your relative practices what he teaches to his children. I am sure he teaches his kids to be decent, honest, and respectful. I am also sure he teaches his children not to use profanity. What a hypocrite he would be if he turned around to do or watch the very things he teaches his kids not to. That is very ADULT. What is childish is to do or watch the very things that you (not you specifically, because I don't know what you tell your kids) tell the kids not to. You have it backward.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#172. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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and that we have Moderaters to do that job.


And we need moderators to that - for us?
Are we not capable enough to do it ourselves.

If we are not capable enough ourselves, then we do not belong here, do we.

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and that we have Moderaters to do that job.


And we need moderators to that - for us?
Are we not capable enough to do it ourselves.

If we are not capable enough ourselves, then we do not belong here, do we.

If "we were capable enough to do it our selves" what would the poor moderators do?

LOL.

trapper

  

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I have been reading this thread, wondering where it will lead to.

I am not 80 years old (yet) but I do feel that at times certain people get carried away --- in my view. Grogan for example, gets very testy and overly explicit at times. But, the view seems to be that he can get away with it because he's Grogan ---- perhaps that is true. Who is going to suggest that we don't need him? He gets carried away but some would say that PCQ&A needs to have a Grogan.

The other person who comes across as a rather stern old gent, and often gets terse and sarcastic is Shelly. But, then PCQ&A needs him too.

Probably, a number will say that PCQ&A does not need a nitpicker like me, but those are my thoughts. Even tho certain members get carried away at times,I will continue to be a member and make a donation when it comes to that time of year --- as PCQ&A seems to be one of the first places I lurk for computer help.

So, hang in there you mealy mouths!

trapper

  

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Sun Dec-13-09 12:54 PM by Ianw

          

This is not a reply to Trapper,its just an observation.


This applies to the both threads.
I wish I could phrase my posts as good as members here but I just cant.
I came in to read my PMs from a member who has moved on for the same reason and I shall be doing that too, I just wanted to read the posts on this. To be honest, if things changed I think I might return.

I'm on 36 forums, this is the only forum that allows bad language. There is a time and place for everything, here is not the place for bad language whether you like it or not.

For many months I have been observing the posts made every day, the number has been dropping for some time. So, are members are not returning ? I think so.

Some are posting replies about other posts and its quite clear they have not read the post properly.

In a reply to jazzfree I used the f word. Why, to indicate that I'm not a prude and that I am serious about the use of bad language here, if I use bad language and I dont like it here then I must be very sincere about it.

How many active members are there her ?
How many members are listed that do not frequent the forum any more.?

I like grogan a lot but I was very surprised and saddened at his attitude, that he will post what he wants to post, and if he cant he'll go elsewhere, that is not good at all.

I can visualise whats coming for this forum but its very apparent that some members cannot do that.




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#121. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You gotta do what you gotta do.

I respect you, Jeff and Doc for sticking by your guns.

This place may go down the toilet tomorrow but I still can't equate that with the language.

Nobody wants to see you go, but nobody here wants to be preached to. When someone starts preaching at me, I get the impression that they think they're either smarter than me or better than me. Both cases may be true but I couldn't give a rats a...

Good luck to you.

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Sun Dec-13-09 03:13 PM by Ianw

          

Heres one I have just rememberd.

It was last year or tge one before that.
I got a video showing things that went wrong, e.g., a jeep
skidding about in the mud and going off the road.
I did look at it before I posted it, it looked OK to me.

Next day When I came into the forum it wasn't there, I had not got a clue what happened to it.
I concluded that I had done something wrong and so I inserted the post again.

Next day I thought war was about to start.
It turned out that Shelly had removed it and did not leave a message why. At the time I put that in a post.
There was a long thread about it, it turned out that there was a short sequence of female dancers,
a couple of whom had their upper clothes fall of revealing their bare chest.

Shelly posted to me not to pull that stunt again. I tried to explain I did it, no one took any notice.
After about 90 posts a poster posted that he really did think I had not noticed the problem.

Then I worked out what had happened. My wife came into the computer room to ask me something as I was

looking at that video, it was then that, that sequence was shown 'cos I do not, even to this day remember that

sequence.

If Shelly had left a message describing the problem there would not have been another word about it 'cos I'd

have accepted it and there would not have been any problems as there was.

So, it OK to post bad language but its taboo to look at topless women.
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So, it OK to post bad language but its taboo to look at topless women.


Well.... yeah.

You know we Americans are prudish about our nekid lady's.

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#136. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I just hope you guys don't go to all the trouble of changing your user name & showing up like a hypocrite. I flew off the handle a year or so back when I didn't get my way, then wanted Grogan to delete my profile, which he could not, for the same reason he gave pilgrim.

Then I went balistic & did some childless things like deleting my posts to screw up the threads & pissed off Mike pretty bad & still feel terrible about it today but I kept my UN, cleaned up my act somewhat & now think before I shoot off my mouth.

Let the people who run this forum do their job & be happy we have such a good comp forum to get help. What goes on in the OT stays in the OT. LOL

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Yes, but all is forgiven.

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I just hope you guys don't go to all the trouble of changing your user name & showing up like a hypocrite. I flew off the handle a year or so back when I didn't get my way, then wanted Grogan to delete my profile, which he could not, for the same reason he gave pilgrim.

Then I went balistic & did some childless things like deleting my posts to screw up the threads & pissed off Mike pretty bad & still feel terrible about it today but I kept my UN, cleaned up my act somewhat & now think before I shoot off my mouth.

Let the people who run this forum do their job & be happy we have such a good comp forum to get help. What goes on in the OT stays in the OT. LOL


Hey Dave you're not alone. I've gone off the deep end playing childish games too. I've gone through the same routine asking Mike to remove my account several times from both PCQandA and BitBender.

I feel bad for it. I realized that the last thing that the mods need is skills in running a daycare while they're actually trying to "help" grown adults with PC issues.

  

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#134. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I like grogan a lot but I was very surprised and saddened at his attitude, that he will post what he wants to post, and if he cant he'll go elsewhere, that is not good at all.


No, you misunderstood and you are quoting me out of context inferring what you think I meant. I said if I couldn't be myself in a forum, I wouldn't have anything to do with it. What I mean is that I am NOT going to change and unless asked to leave, I am NOT going anywhere. You are, if you can't cope with the way the membership behaves. Isn't that what you just said? You're leaving, because we won't post according to your directives.

I can't stand hypocrites. For another example, I certainly don't mind your jokes (I have enjoyed some of them), but do you think that changing words to f*** or describing "inappropriate" situations without profanity makes it OK? Just come out and say the word if you are going to post it. That kind of censoring bothers me far more than any bad language or content because it insults everyone's intelligence.

I don't make up clever rhetoric either, to seem more intellectual. That's another thing some of these brow beaters do and I find that quite offensive.

Did you really think you were going to start trouble with multiple threads in both forums over petty language complaints, and not get any adverse replies?

But yes, since you put it that way, I will post what I want to post. I'll decide what words I'm going to use and so will everyone else. The staff here will use their discretion. So far, we've done OK without the language police crawling up our asses. I've worked too damned hard on this site to have a few righteous people ruin it with their pseudo-christian, think-of-the-children, anal retentive, nanny state nonsense. We have been here a long time and we've seen a lot of critics come and go.

Why don't you just give it up and get back to doing what you normally do around here? You don't need to make a stand, if that's what you are doing, because you will lose. It will just be a drag for you and everyone here that likes you. (Here's a hint: I'm taking the time to say this to you)

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#138. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Do you have any moral fiber?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Do you have any moral fiber?


Fiber, what's that? Something that makes for a smoother, more voluminous bowel movement? I think you have plenty of that.

I have morals, it's just that they don't necessarily coincide with religious or politically correct ones. In fact it is often the very opposite.

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In other words, you don't.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Seems to me he explained his position clearly & plainly.

Now how did you come to your conclusion?

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Seems to me he explained his position clearly & plainly.

Now how did you come to your conclusion?


I studied many different theologies, thoroughly.

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Let me ask you all some questions. Do you (or did you) let your under-aged children talk with the language that is allowed here? If not, why is it okay to use that language here? Would you let your under-aged children to post language like that here? If not, why is it okay for everyone else? Where in all that lies the difference? Why is it okay for adults to do what under-aged children shouldn't?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Let me ask you all some questions. Do you (or did you) let your under-aged children talk with the language that is allowed here? If not, why is it okay to use that language here? Would you let your under-aged children to post language like that here? If not, why is it okay for everyone else? Where in all that lies the difference? Why is it okay for adults to do what under-aged children shouldn't?


You are really making this interesting. It seems your just prodding people to get slammed. Why are you doing it? Don't stop, I am totally riveted to this thread. I hate to say it but I am really enjoying it.

  

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It's to get people to think.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Now that's Photoshopping!

  

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Let me ask you all some questions. Do you (or did you) let your under-aged children talk with the language that is allowed here?


Doc, my wife and I don't have any children. Does that make us bad people? We have many nieces and nephews. I would never think about preaching to them about anything. Not my job. Get it? I've never heard a foul remark out of any of them until they were 16 or so. In my book that is old enough for them to think for themselves. They may have been cussing for years before that. I don't care. Get it? If you are going to worry about the stuff you have no control over than you will lead a miserable existence.

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It's to get people to think.


Is this your calling? Are you an MD, PHD, a doctor of the ministry or theologian or is Doc a nickname? Whatever, none of them qualify you to police the language in this forum.

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#198. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Doc, my wife and I don't have any children. Does that make us bad people? We have many nieces and nephews. I would never think about preaching to them about anything. Not my job. Get it? I've never heard a foul remark out of any of them until they were 16 or so. In my book that is old enough for them to think for themselves. They may have been cussing for years before that. I don't care. Get it? If you are going to worry about the stuff you have no control over than you will lead a miserable existence.


Of course it isn't wrong to not have children. My wife and I don't have children either. And, it really isn't up to you to preach to your nieces and nephews. They aren't your children. But, I would expect you to teach your children, if you had them. You might think about things different if you did have children. You might not. But, I believe you would.


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It's to get people to think.


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Is this your calling? Are you an MD, PHD, a doctor of the ministry or theologian or is Doc a nickname? Whatever, none of them qualify you to police the language in this forum.


I don't have to have a degree to get people to think. We should all be challenging others to think.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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.........it really isn't up to you to preach to your nieces and nephews. They aren't your children.
And neither are we yours!

  

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There you go! That says it all.

  

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I have a duty, ordained by God, to spread the truth to those that are of the age of understanding. That gives me the authority.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Did you just see the Light a couple of weeks ago or were you born again a long time ago?

Seems you've been in the closet a long time, why all of a sudden you came out here? You've been a charter member here & I can't recall you preaching. Let it go you can't convert the world.



"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I and my Father are one."


See buddy it's already a done deal, no amount of preaching will change anyone's mind. Go & study the bible & try & understand it & leave these folks to study computers.

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You've turned yourself into a laughingstock here, Doc. You used to have some respect on this forum, but you've shot that all to hell.

  

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You've turned yourself into a laughingstock here, Doc. You used to have some respect on this forum, but you've shot that all to hell.


I think when he gets all this out of his system and all this blows over we will all forgive him like nothing ever happened. This forum is very forgiving and he will be just fine here. As much as many don't agree he really only means well. Just as a few bad words are no big deal so is getting preached at a little. So what, whats the big deal about that also.

  

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Well put, Mike.

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Might be a laughing stock; but, I do it out of love for all of you. It's sad, I show love; and, I am despised for it. But, at least I am strong enough through His strength (because I surely can't through my own power) to get past it.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#252. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You know, you tried to twist that to say what you want when it doesn't really say what you claim. Since you are not of His sheep, you believe not. Okay, fair enough. But, that doesn't mean you can't become part of His sheep at some point.

Here's a well known verse:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There is nothing in John 3:16 that prevents anyone from believing in Him. It says whosoever, which means anyone can! They may not at the moment; but, they still can. If you start believing, then you are of His sheep! Your logic is lacking.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Let me ask you all some questions. Do you (or did you) let your under-aged children talk with the language that is allowed here? If not, why is it okay to use that language here? Would you let your under-aged children to post language like that here? If not, why is it okay for everyone else? Where in all that lies the difference? Why is it okay for adults to do what under-aged children shouldn't?


Funny, no one with children really wanted to answer this one.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Because they are adults and I didn't want my kids saying pass the fucking potatoes at least until they knew what it meant

  

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I didn't want my kids saying ... at least until they knew what it meant


That's pretty sad that you would want them to say it at all.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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My kids are 34 and 36 now and they are doing just fine.My son is a plant manager and my daughter just went back to work after 7 yrs of being a stay at home mom.They have 7 kids between them that are well behaved and doing well in school I don't think I by not subscribing to any religious gobblety gook damaged them in any way.They both are good people loving parents.They also both know respect is something that is earned not given and don't blindly follow some doctrine because someone told them they were going to hell if they didn't.They respect people's opinions even if they don't agree.This is something maybe you could think about when you are clubbing people about the head with the lord stuff.You have stated what your opinion is and apparently the people in charge don't agree.I wouldn't think of joining a group online then proceed to try and change it I think I would either live with it or find some place else that I felt more comfortable.

  

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That's just it. Your kids seem okay in your eyes. What about Gods eyes? We have His written Word. We know what He expects of us. In His eyes, we all have failed and need a Saviour, His Son.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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The ones whose sensibilities that this thread is purportedly trying to protect are probably laughing there 'heads' off if they're reading this. I would use another word instead of head, but far be it from me to shock anyone.
How can you keep making a damn fool of yourself? (Of course, that's your right to do so).

  

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You are probably correct. Shame...

It's really a pity too, when you consider the time of year.

But, even if one starts to question, or even realizes, this is all worth it.

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I'm laughing my anus off!

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I sure wish you would quit your female doging and shut the sexual intercourse up.

Yarddaawg

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That's just it. Your kids seem okay in your eyes. What about Gods eyes? We have His written Word. We know what He expects of us. In His eyes, we all have failed and need a Saviour, His Son.


You are utterly ridiculous. Who the Hell are you to criticize other people's kids with sanctimonious brimstone and fire? That is exactly the type of Christian doctrine that I will fight against. My tolerance of religion ends with that mentality.

You sound a lot like the overbearing priest at my grandmother's funeral who sternly told everyone to get a hold of themselves and that they weren't there to honour her, but to honour God. I used good judgment in not standing up and telling that ridiculous man where he could stick that ceremonial candle holder of his. Pompous jackass.

A good Christian is a quiet one.

That's not *only* meant as an insult. I respect people that hold to, or practice their religious beliefs, but do not try to impose them on others.

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DocWed Dec-16-09 01:12 AM
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#228. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I guess you really hate the Islams then. There doctrine is, we will convert you. If we can't convert you, then we will kill you.

For your information, all religions (even atheists, which is a religion of nothing) try to spread their beliefs to others. It wouldn't be much of a religion if we had to hide it away from everyone.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Indeed, I very much dislike that kind of religion that some of those Islam people subscribe to. (It doesn't even have to be that extreme)

The difference with someone like me, an atheist, is that I wouldn't try to tell other people to live and act as I do.

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DocWed Dec-16-09 02:52 AM
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You tell them everyday Grogan. You tell them with your posts on here.

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GroganWed Dec-16-09 04:37 AM
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#234. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You mean because I don't set the kind of example that you think I should? It's not my job to be any kind of role model for anyone. If people choose to agree with what I say and do, the key word is choose.

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DocWed Dec-16-09 02:21 PM
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#243. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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No, Grogan. That's not what I am saying. I am saying that you spread your religion just as much as anyone else. So, it is hypocritical of you to say that no one else should.

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#233. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Also, I don't want this existence! This existence is filled with pain and suffering. I don't want that! No, I am looking forward to what comes after this existence!


I was wondering when you mentioned Islam about something you said that reminded me of something else.

It was your quote above..

It reminded me of the statements I've read that were left behind by suicide bombers..
They all had that same type of outlook.

Many of us here have already stated that we are not afraid of death; I certainly am not.
But when I meet a reasonably healthy and apparently sane man who says he looks forward to death to achieve paradise, and means it, I know I'm looking into the eyes of a fanatic.



  

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DocWed Dec-16-09 02:27 PM
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#246. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am fanatical to look forward to someplace where there is no pain, no sin, no worries? What is wrong with that?

Don't misunderstand, I do love my life. As I already stated, it is a gift from God. But, I can't wait to have that perfect state, to be with Jesus, the one that saved me. But, while I am here on Earth, I do enjoy my life and do my duty for God, the Father. Why do I do that duty? Because I want others to have that joy that I have. I want others to know that love that I know. Is that all so wrong? Is it wrong for me to care so much that I want others to know the ultimate joy?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#235. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You are the poster boy for everything that is wrong with religion of any flavor.Sanctimonious,judgmental,arrogant.These are the very things that turned me away from any organized religion.My parents made us kids go to church even though they didn't themselves right up until we were 12 then we were allowed to make the decision whether to keep going or not.I was gone in a heart beat.

  

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#244. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Would you have felt different if they had and still do go?

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#245. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Obviously you know even less about Islam than you think you know about Christianity.

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Of course Shelly, I am speaking of radical Islam, which is the prevalent threat in this world at the moment. I think you knew that but chose to provoke me anyway.

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#239. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Let me ask you all some questions. Do you (or did you) let your under-aged children talk with the language that is allowed here? If not, why is it okay to use that language here? Would you let your under-aged children to post language like that here? If not, why is it okay for everyone else? Where in all that lies the difference? Why is it okay for adults to do what under-aged children shouldn't?

Funny, no one with children really wanted to answer this one.


It's called common sense. Would you let a 5 year old go to the mall alone?

Adults do what they want & what the law of the land allows & kids do what they're told till they reach adulthood.

What man is there of you that if your son ask for bread will give him a stone?

Or ask for a fish, will give him a serpent?

Dave101

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#240. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Adults do what they want


That's the key phrase, right there. "Adults do what they want." Or in other words, "All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes;" however, you need to remember that "but the LORD weigheth the spirits." Psalms 16:2 In other words, God will judge you for what you do, even if you think it is good in your own eyes. There's only one way to escape the judgment. And, it is free. You don't have to do any works. There are no grand scales in Heaven where the good you do is accumulated in one side and the bad is in the other, with the greater of the two determining where you go. There is nothing like that. The only thing you need to do is make a conscious choice. That choice is to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour and to follow Him the best you can in this life. If you do that, then you escape the judgment.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#251. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I'll let my peers here on earth do the judging at least the ones I respect enough to care what they think.People who don't have a strong grip on reality don't count.

  

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One day you will be judged by God. He is the final judge. The only way around it is Jesus. It's plain and simple. I pray you find the right path.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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One day you will be judged by God. He is the final judge. The only way around it is Jesus. It's plain and simple. I pray you find the right path.

Don't know if this is Old Testament or New because I know very little about the matter or which one modern day Christians use.But I do know they cling closely to the verses they find they like and and either dismiss or say some others were not meant to be taken literally.
Like I said I really know very little about the subject so sorry if this makes no sense.

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"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven."

~Luke 6:37~

You seem to be doing a lot of judging Doc.
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"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

Any gay readers here?Better stay in the closet or we'll have to kill ya.

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"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 2 )

Sorry Mom and Dad,I didn't mean it.Don't kill me.

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"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

Had a haircut or shave lately Doc?

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...Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

Checked the labels in all of your clothes lately?Wouldn't want to ruin your chances of getting to that place you want to go.

Rab

  

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#267. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Thu Dec-17-09 12:18 AM by Doc

  

          

You surely don't understand nor have thoroughly studied the Bible. God has had many different covenants with man. We aren't under the old testament law, like those that you pointed out. The old testament law was there to show the Jews that we can't possibly be without sin. That was part of God's plan. It all culminated into the current covenant, which is grace. We are forgiven of our sin, like that, that you pointed out. But, we have to give our lives over to Christ who died for our sin (He paid the cost for us). We are pardoned. But, that doesn't mean we are innocent of that sin. Once we truly give our lives over to Christ, then the sin nature is stopped. We still have our physical, human nature which will make us do things we shouldn't. But, the habitual sinner we used to be is gone. Once we accept Christ, we go to Heaven. At that point, what type of material is in your clothing doesn't matter on whether you go to Heaven.

You really should research your topic (the Bible) before you try to quote it. The verses you quote are not ignored; but, they are there now (in this age of grace) for our learning and understanding. These things are clearly stated in the Bible.

You can't simply just read a bit of the Bible, or start quoting parts of it without understanding it as a whole, and think you can make any sense of it. In most standard print versions, there are over 1000 pages. And, there is very deep meaning in those pages. What you are trying to do is like judging a standard book by it's cover and maybe the brief description on the inside covers. It doesn't even come close.

I have judged in this thread. As I have indicated already, that was wrong of me. I got caught up in the heat of the thread. That was something I ordinarily don't do. I did apologize for it. I haven't judged since then.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#269. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You surely don't understand nor have thoroughly studied the Bible. God has had many different covenants with man. We aren't under the old testament law, like those that you pointed out. The old testament law was there to show the Jews that we can't possibly be without sin. That was part of God's plan. It all culminated into the current covenant, which is grace. We are forgiven of our sin, like that, that you pointed out. But, we have to give our lives over to Christ who died for our sin (He paid the cost for us). We are pardoned. But, that doesn't mean we are innocent of that sin. Once we truly give our lives over to Christ, then the sin nature is stopped. We still have our physical, human nature which will make us do things we shouldn't. But, the habitual sinner we used to be is gone.

You really should research your topic (the Bible) before you try to quote it. The verses you quote are not ignored; but, they are there now (in this age of grace) for our learning and understanding. These things are clearly stated in the Bible.

You can't simply just read a bit of the Bible, or start quoting parts of it without understanding it as a whole, and think you can make any sense of it. In most standard print versions, there are over 1000 pages. And, there is very deep meaning in those pages. What you are trying to do is like judging a standard book by it's cover and maybe the brief description on the inside covers. It doesn't even come close.

I have judged in this thread. As I have indicated already, that was wrong of me. I got caught up in the heat of the thread. That was something I ordinarily don't do. I did apologize for it. I haven't judged since then.


Quote:

.....Like I said I really know very little about the subject so sorry if this makes no sense.

I clearly stated I didn't know much about it and said I was sorry in advance yet you still had to point it out and again,judge.
I don't like getting personal and very rarely make any posts containing my thoughts or opinions but you have have sure told a lot of people here what you think of them and their ways even if some of those thoughts were subtle or read between the lines type of remarks.
You are really hurting the cause you are fighting for and would do it better justice by leaving and being done with it.
So,in conclusion I guess I will have to be a real jerk and put into a picture what a lot here are basically saying and many or probably thinking.

Pic of Doc


Yeh,it's rude,crude and childesh for me to post this and I guess I am going to hell for it but screw it.I don't care.Bye.

PS:I can't wait for your response which is sure to come since you won't just leave and end this whole thing.
I for one and done with this thread.
I apologize to everyone for bringing this thread back to the top of the list and won't do it again.

Rab

  

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#271. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I'm done with this as well it was interesting if only to see how fanatical about this stuff Doc is.I'll respect his opinions on the computer side but I'm sorry I can't even begin to say what I think of his opinions on this side.Judge away Doc because i couldn't care less.

  

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It's not me judging. I am just doing what the Bible tells me to do. Teach all nations what is contained in His book.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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I may disagree with your evangelism, but you have every right to it. To say you are not a serious person, or someone whose should not be respected or tolerated is wrong. Those that say this this and think this are the ones showing a phobia or intolerance. I have my own views on Christianity and science and I will keep them private. The reason for this, in a discussion about Christianity and different religions there usually is no civil discourse not on this board and most boards or forums.

Some people say the pilgrims (Puritans) came to America seeking religious freedom, this is partially true, they were seeking freedom for their religion but did not tolerate the religious practices of other religions.

  

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How good are your beliefs if you can't or don't share them? If they are not good enough to share, then why have them?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#288. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I am what I am. I believe what I believe. I exist so therefore I am. It is between me and my maker as to my religious beliefs. I will say this I was baptized Catholic, my mother was of this faith, My religious teachings came from my stepfathers religion Missouri Synod Lutheran. My Fathers religion was Baptist. My Grandfathers religion on my fathers side was Christian with no tolerance allowed toward Catholics. I have attended services at may churches of different faiths, I take a little from all of them in to my personal beliefs. I believe that those of the Hebrew faith are the chosen people of God and those that cannot tolerate Jews cannot be called Christian for was not Christ from the House of David a Jewish house.
This is my final say on my beliefs discussing religion is a pissing contest no one can win because neither side will in most cases accept or tolerate the views of the opposition.

  

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Quote:
QUOTE: This is my final say on my beliefs discussing religion is a pissing contest no one can win because neither side will in most cases accept or tolerate the views of the opposition.


You could be right. However, we are commanded to go and teach. I cannot ignore that mandate by my Creator.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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You are entitled to your opinion.

  

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Thank you.

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Like you, I am what I am, & I believe what I believe.

On day I'm perusing the net (prompted by a post in a forum where religion & politics <& foul language too> are forbidden) & it led me here:

The PuritanBoard > Apologetics Forum > Cults & World Religions - Supporting family members with deviant belief systems


I'm not much into religions, & I never knew such discourse existed between various Christian "sects" (I don't know what to call them).

Oh the hilarity of it all

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#296. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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How good are your beliefs if you can't or don't share them? If they are not good enough to share, then why have them?


I believe there is nothing after death.
I believe there is no heaven.
I believe there is no God.
I believe in Santa Claus.
I believe in the Easter Bunny.
I shared these beliefs so they must good.
But,I am not going to try to make you believe the same things as me (whatever they may be) no matter how strongly I feel about them.
Can't you see that that is all people here are saying.
No one started out to bash your beliefs.The problem is your relentless effort to make them our beliefs too.
Once people have made it clear that they aren't interested in adopting your beliefs that is the time to stop or you are just making them more opposed to those beliefs and hurting the cause you are trying to promote.

Rab

  

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That is their loss. The worst loss one could have. But, there is still hope that one day they could see the light.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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See, you don't go to hell for any individual sin. And, I am not sure that picture is a sin. Probably the thought behind it is. But, that won't send you to hell.

You go to hell because you have a sin nature, which is different. And, I don't know if you have that sin nature. I don't know your heart, only you and God know. If you have Jesus in your life, then you don't go to hell. The sin nature is eradicated. You do still commit sins because your human nature is still there. But, you don't have that habitual sin caused by the sin nature. You have the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, which gives you consul to not carry out that habitual sin that before you wouldn't have given a second thought about.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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See, you don't go to hell for any individual sin. And, I am not sure that picture is a sin. Probably the thought behind it is. But, that won't send you to hell.

You go to hell because you have a sin nature, which is different. And, I don't know if you have that sin nature. I don't know your heart, only you and God know. If you have Jesus in your life, then you don't go to hell. The sin nature is eradicated. You do still commit sins because your human nature is still there. But, you don't have that habitual sin caused by the sin nature. You have the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, which gives you consul to not carry out that habitual sin that before you wouldn't have given a second thought about.


Is it possible for non-believer to be a good wholesome individual? You know, the kind that refrains from doing something, not because it's of a sinful nature, but because it's not the right thing to do.

Nightly Reader

  

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Not completely. One can do the best that they can to keep the sin nature in check. But, it's still there; and, it will show itself. That's why every single person needs a Saviour. The reason we can't get to Heaven on our own is because it would require perfection. As I mentioned already, the old testament law shows us we can't be perfect. We can never be good enough to measure up to God's perfection. So, we need a Saviour. Jesus is that Saviour. And, He is the reason for the season.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Looks like it's that time of year again

Time for our annual public service announcement:

There is no perfect world where you can protect everybody from everything. Just like in the real world, you have people here with different beliefs, attitudes, tolerance levels, vocabulary, IQs, etc.

Trying to suppress/prohibit/hide/pretend it doesn't exist, is stupid, impossible, and pointless. The children? Doesn't matter, they'll hear those words/beliefs/opinions somewhere else.

If you don't like somebody's belief/attitude/choice of words/whatever, that's fine, that's your right. Just ignore it and move on. There are better things to do in life than argue and be mad.

You can disagree with others but you don't have the right to tell them what they cannot do, say, or think.

Just like you, everybody else is entitled to their opinion, to their belief, to their choice of words, etc.

Just like you would want others to respect your opinions and treat you with respect, you should extend them the same courtesy.

Most importantly: Relax, people. Don't take this so seriously. Go and have some fun. Life is better that way

  

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trapperMon Dec-14-09 12:23 AM
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#153. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Hey CrazyGerman where have you been? I don't recall seeing you around since back in PC911.

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#155. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Hey CrazyGerman where have you been? I don't recall seeing you around since back in PC911.


Then you should ask yourself the same question. He came here a few times not many though.

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#156. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Hi Alex, How are you doin. Long time no see / hear.

I've still got the Video of you taking your "First" Sky Dive.

Ken:

  

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#157. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Doc, Get over it. This is an Internet group not a church group. Language is a reflection of our culture or lack of culture, but
" Life would be a real drag, if we were all the same".......Savoy Brown.

  

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ShellyMon Dec-14-09 02:34 PM
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#161. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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All this talk of moral fiber brings back memories from one of my previous lives.

I briefly worked as an understudy in a Broadway show when I was around 17. It was "The Remarkable Mr. Pennypacker" the star was Burgess Meredith, and briefly I was understudy for the juvenile lead, Warren Burlenger, it was briefly because he never had the decency to get sick.

Burgess had a great line in the second act, he said to the family pastor that "Morality is a matter of geography, a Muslim may have as many wives as he wishes, but a drink of alcohol is forbidden. We can only have one wife, but all the alcohol we need to stand her".

Shelly

  

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#290. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Shelly, I've briefly perused this thread and must say that your comments, historical notes, and insights are both enlightening and refreshing. Thank you for sharing all this good stuff.

I especially value your thumbnail history of this forum. It's the best summary I have seen.

As for religion, the facts speak for themselves: more people have been persecuted, murdered, raped, and enslaved by it than by any other human institution or endeavor. Four hundred years ago, the Roman Catholics did it to Galileo for claiming the earth NOT to be the center of the universe and therefore, the center of its deity's domain. This was very threatening to the church. And, look where we are today. The middle east is a tumult of religious zealotry. All the sanctimonious believers are killing one another off in the name of their gods. Makes a lot of sense, huh? NOT!

Shelly, about a hundred years ago, when I was in high school, I tried to make sense of my Christian heritage. I bought a paperback book that was a history of the world's 5,000+ religions. From that book I came to realize that no spiritual doctrine was any better, or worse, than any other. Take your pick, or, as I finally determined was right for me, eschew them all and live by what I know is right.

As for this "after life" crap, it is just another way ignorant people are kept in line by Religion, Incorporated. Promises, promises!! Empty as the heads of the so-called true believers.

As for Doc, one can only feel sorry for him for his zealous reliance upon the promise of something beyond the grave. As you have said, Shelly, one is properly living by living this life with zest, love and humanity towards others.

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DocThu Dec-17-09 06:27 PM
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#294. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Shelly, I've briefly perused this thread and must say that your comments, historical notes, and insights are both enlightening and refreshing. Thank you for sharing all this good stuff.

I especially value your thumbnail history of this forum. It's the best summary I have seen.

As for religion, the facts speak for themselves: more people have been persecuted, murdered, raped, and enslaved by it than by any other human institution or endeavor. Four hundred years ago, the Roman Catholics did it to Galileo for claiming the earth NOT to be the center of the universe and therefore, the center of its deity's domain. This was very threatening to the church. And, look where we are today. The middle east is a tumult of religious zealotry. All the sanctimonious believers are killing one another off in the name of their gods. Makes a lot of sense, huh? NOT!

Shelly, about a hundred years ago, when I was in high school, I tried to make sense of my Christian heritage. I bought a paperback book that was a history of the world's 5,000+ religions. From that book I came to realize that no spiritual doctrine was any better, or worse, than any other. Take your pick, or, as I finally determined was right for me, eschew them all and live by what I know is right.

As for this "after life" crap, it is just another way ignorant people are kept in line by Religion, Incorporated. Promises, promises!! Empty as the heads of the so-called true believers.

As for Doc, one can only feel sorry for him for his zealous reliance upon the promise of something beyond the grave. As you have said, Shelly, one is properly living by living this life with zest, love and humanity towards others.


I would have to say that those supposedly in the Christian faith were leading a twisted version of it. Real Christians do not murder (or rape or anything else you pointed out above). Christians will kill (not murder, there can be a difference) when it is the only way to defend him/herself or loved ones and when called upon by their country to do so for honorable purposes (such as national defense).

As far as the afterlife, there are too many signs of an afterlife to ignore. Just the other day there was a thread on here about ghosts. Ghosts are real, do not mistaken yourself. In fact, they are mentioned in the Bible. I find it hard to believe that people ignore that tangible proof of an afterlife.

And, I do have a zest for this life. I do have a love and a humanity toward others. Why do you think I am doing this? I care enough about them to show them there is a way to be saved, for their immortal soul to escape damnation? That is my zest for this life, helping others. That's the best thing to have a zest for!

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#306. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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What is a Real Christian? They don't murder? How much do you know about the Spanish Inquisition? How about the Salem Witch Trials? They were all Real Christians, they really believed they where doing the right Christian thing. They where cruel heartless beings and they felt so righteous in what they were doing. They where BRAINWASHED into believing BULLSHIT and many people suffered and died because of it. What makes today's Believing any Better or more Christian? What will they think of this in a few hundred years?

  

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DocThu Dec-17-09 08:48 PM
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#308. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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How do you know they were real Christians. I don't know their hearts. Their actions would indicated they were NOT real Christians. But, that is between them and God. That's not for me to judge.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Definition: What is a Real Christian? A person with his head up his ass.

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#346. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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:lol:

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and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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DocFri Dec-18-09 02:13 PM
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I would consider that hate speech.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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ShellyFri Dec-18-09 02:12 PM
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#353. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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There are no ghosts either, that is primitive superstitious nonsense. Hmm... I just defined religion.

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#348. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Four hundred years ago, the Roman Catholics did it to Galileo for claiming the earth NOT to be the center of the universe and therefore, the center of its deity's domain.


I want a punishment like Galileo got. Not to lessen the evils of the church but, "Please don't through me in the Brier patch" pleaded Brer Rabbit.

Ethan

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DocMon Dec-14-09 03:35 PM
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I can only hope you all will understand some day. I know that I can't make any of you figure it out. I only do all this because, whether you believe it or not, I want to see the best for you. Now, it is up to you whether or not to make a conscious choice to do what is right. Search it out for yourself, like I have. Don't rely on what Hollywood or popular culture tells you to do. Look for yourself. Make it a concerted, dedicated effort. Popular culture shows that we are really very tiny in a huge universe, with no real effect on the world around us; so, it tells us do whatever because in the grand scheme it doesn't matter (except in Climate Change, it seems). That's the easy, lazy way to look at things. You are so much more. And, there is so much more at stake. Your very life depends on what you do on Earth. Take time to find out how very important you are and what you do. It has much grander implications.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#164. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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“I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” -- Jesus Christ Almighty and Doc.

In other words, those of us who don't see things your way are intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt and are doomed, along with our progeny, to perdition.

And I thought I had an ego. You're hilarious.

  

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Amen Brother!!

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DocMon Dec-14-09 05:31 PM
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#166. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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“I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” -- Jesus Christ Almighty and Doc.

In other words, those of us who don't see things your way are intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt and are doomed, along with our progeny, to perdition.

And I thought I had an ego. You're hilarious.


You have a gift of twisting my words. In some ways, I said the opposite of what you replied with! Read carefully.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#169. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Please... Once through that was more than enough. It's given me a toothache.

You are either being deliberately ridiculous and have spent the last hundred-plus posts laughing it up while pulling our collective leg (which would be a good one on us), or your family and friends should be planning an intervention.

  

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In other words, those of us who don't see things your way are intellectually lazy and morally bankrupt and are doomed, along with our progeny, to perdition.

And I thought I had an ego. You're hilarious.

James -

1. In this matter I agree with you. (I'll deny it later!)

2. You DO have an ego!


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ShellyMon Dec-14-09 06:09 PM
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#168. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I can only hope you all will understand some day. I know that I can't make any of you figure it out. I only do all this because, whether you believe it or not, I want to see the best for you. Now, it is up to you whether or not to make a conscious choice to do what is right. Search it out for yourself, like I have. Don't rely on what Hollywood or popular culture tells you to do. Look for yourself. Make it a concerted, dedicated effort. Popular culture shows that we are really very tiny in a huge universe, with no real effect on the world around us; so, it tells us do whatever because in the grand scheme it doesn't matter (except in Climate Change, it seems). That's the easy, lazy way to look at things. You are so much more. And, there is so much more at stake. Your very life depends on what you do on Earth. Take time to find out how very important you are and what you do. It has much grander implications.


Did it ever occur to you that perhaps we have figured it out?

Shelly

  

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Okay, what is it you figured out exactly, Shelly?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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I can only hope you all will understand some day. I know that I can't make any of you figure it out. I only do all this because, whether you believe it or not, I want to see the best for you. Now, it is up to you whether or not to make a conscious choice to do what is right. Search it out for yourself, like I have. Don't rely on what Hollywood or popular culture tells you to do. Look for yourself. Make it a concerted, dedicated effort. Popular culture shows that we are really very tiny in a huge universe, with no real effect on the world around us; so, it tells us do whatever because in the grand scheme it doesn't matter (except in Climate Change, it seems). That's the easy, lazy way to look at things. You are so much more. And, there is so much more at stake. Your very life depends on what you do on Earth. Take time to find out how very important you are and what you do. It has much grander implications.


I am just really curious. I am not trying to be confrontational. What is it that you do? I see many acts of kindness from these evil beings that use bad words. What can you show me that will make me see how right you are?

  

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I am just really curious. I am not trying to be confrontational. What is it that you do? I see many acts of kindness from these evil beings that use bad words. What can you show me that will make me see how right you are?


That's excellent question; and, it's not confrontational. Are you asking what do I do for a living or what do I do on this forum? It's a pretty broad question that could be interpreted many ways. What is it you want to know?

For a profession (believe it or not), I am a librarian. I know that's pretty interesting despite my stance on the topic of this thread. As a librarian, I don't tell people what to read, look at, or watch, with some exceptions of what they are doing on the computer visible in the public area (not my choice, it is library district policy). But, if people ask me my opinion, I am not shy to tell them if I think something is inappropriate and why it is so. And despite what you think of me or what I have said in this thread, my public library is (and, I am) well liked and successful with the community we have which is a pretty diverse group of young, old, whites, Native Americans, and Hispanics.

I have helped a number of people on this forum with their computer questions, on rare occasions even receiving praise for my answers from the likes of even Shelly (although sometimes we have had widely diverse opinions on some topics). I haven't done as much of that in the past year or two since I changed professions, moved, and got married.

When I lived in Ohio, I was the major force behind a computer users group that was very successful for the small city I lived in. Back there I was also the IT department (one person department) for a public library.

But, the main thing that I do on this Earth is care for people's souls. I try, to the best of my ability, to spread the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is nothing we can do of our own power to make up for the sin in our lives. We all have sin. When I say that, I have five fingers pointing back at myself. God is the complete opposite to sin. And, we can't be with Him in heaven if we have sin. The only way to rectify sin is to turn our lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God that became man, died on the cross, and was risen to conquer sin for those that make a conscious decision to believe and follow Him. Notice I state sin singular, not sins plural. What Jesus wipes away is the sin nature of man. It doesn't stop us from sinning; but, what it does is to stop sinning habitually. My duty as a Christian is to worship God, learn more about Him (I am all the time), and spread His Word to the people of the world. I take that seriously because I love Him and I love people. And, I will talk to you about Jesus all day if possible.

I probably have not conveyed myself in this thread very well. It is not me to judge, which I admit while getting heated in this thread, I have. That was wrong of me. For that, I am sorry. Like I said, the habitual sin (like using the Lord's name in vain all the time) is wiped away; but, not the occasional sin. But, I am suppose to exhort people to help them see things they should morally change. However, I do stand behind the ideas that I conveyed in this thread.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Thanks, Do what you must. Good answer

  

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One true god my ass another intolerant "christian" and you have confirmed what I suspected.I was going to write a lot more but thought better of it.Suffice to say if people have a head on their shoulders they don't need the threat of not going to heaven to do the right thing.I'm not talking a few "bad" words but things that actually matter.

  

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Tolerant: "Inclined to tolerate the beliefs, practices, or traits of others; forbearing".

Intolerant: "Not tolerant, especially: a. Bigoted. b. Irritable. c Unable to endure".

The above taken from 'The American Heritage Dictionary'


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Here is the thing, if you have received Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, you don't want to use profanity. I challenge you to do an in depth study of the Bible. Don't take the challenge lightly. It will take you years to do a thorough study of it. You can't just read it either. You have to study it. If, after a careful study of it, you still feel the same, then I would say you are qualified to your belief.

There have been true, hard skeptics of Christianity that have done that thorough study that I am suggesting that are now believers. They set out to prove how ridiculous Christianity is but found out the exact opposite.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#186. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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But, the main thing that I do on this Earth is care for people's souls. I try, to the best of my ability, to spread the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is nothing we can do of our own power to make up for the sin in our lives. We all have sin. When I say that, I have five fingers pointing back at myself. God is the complete opposite to sin. And, we can't be with Him in heaven if we have sin. The only way to rectify sin is to turn our lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God that became man, died on the cross, and was risen to conquer sin for those that make a conscious decision to believe and follow Him. Notice I state sin singular, not sins plural. What Jesus wipes away is the sin nature of man. It doesn't stop us from sinning; but, what it does is to stop sinning habitually. My duty as a Christian is to worship God, learn more about Him (I am all the time), and spread His Word to the people of the world. I take that seriously because I love Him and I love people. And, I will talk to you about Jesus all day if possible.


Thank God I'm an Atheist!

Shelly

  

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#187. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Guess you're right. Just think, if you died and went to heaven you'd have to listen to this guy for eternity.

This is getting creepy. I think I'm gonna go out and dig up some wolfbane and a garlic wreath to hang on my monitor.

  

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The head lamb of the flock has spoken it must be true.

  

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Oh, make room for someone else with an obsession.

Are you guys all out on daypasses, DJC?

  

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The Crusades are next.

  

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#192. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I believe Doc’s post numbers 178 and 184 pretty well states his position and the reason for his unwillingness to compromise. I suggest he will never give up trying to change the opposing views on this subject because that’s what preachers and true believers do. This thread could go on forever but His position is not going to change nor will anyone else’s. If he chooses to leave there is nothing that can be done – he will just have to leave.

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DocTue Dec-15-09 03:58 PM
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#191. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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So, what is your hope after you leave this world, Shelly?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#194. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Is this really the best you can do?

Do you actually imagine that that fairy tale Heaven and Hell nonsense is going to scare anyone here let alone Shelly.
This is not some backwoods Sunday school. Most people here are insulted by your crude insinuations.

You obviously (like all fanatics) don't see yourself as others see you. Know that you are making a complete fool of yourself. You are digging yourself into a deeper hole every time you touch your keyboard.



  

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#195. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Is it wrong to ask a question? I was genuinely interested in knowing what his hope is after this world. And, it is so funny that you think I am fanatical when for most of the history of the United States the majority of its people thought along similar lines to my "fanatical" thinking.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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To help fertilize the Earth like those who have preceeded me. I was never much for fantasy.

Shelly

  

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So, what is the purpose of it all?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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To live a useful life in THIS world.

Shelly

  

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DocTue Dec-15-09 07:36 PM
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But what good is it if there is nothing afterward?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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But what good is it if there is nothing afterward?


Doc let's be real here. Would you really want to live forever? The pursuit of Religion for the promise of an everlasting life forever. I really don't care how great it is, that sounds more like hell to me. Forever is a very long time and it could get a little boring. We only want to believe such things because of our greed for life and this existence. When your Dead your Dead. Believe what you want. If we do go on God willing we will not know it. Human Greed is what religion is all about. This does not mean you say "F" it and do anything you want. Caring and love Does go on Forever and it can make your life here a lot more pleasant. There are no Guaranties on that one either.

  

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I am being real.

Now it sounds like you are being closed minded. So, let's be a bit open minded for a sec, okay?

What if Heaven is timeless as opposed to forever? That brings a bit of a different light on it. I can't really say I have a grasp on timeless. But, if I am right, I now I would rather live the afterlife in paradise than in eternal torment.

Also, I don't want this existence! This existence is filled with pain and suffering. I don't want that! No, I am looking forward to what comes after this existence!

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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I am being real.

Now it sounds like you are being closed minded. So, let's be a bit open minded for a sec, okay?

What if Heaven is timeless as opposed to forever? That brings a bit of a different light on it. I can't really say I have a grasp on timeless. But, if I am right, I now I would rather live the afterlife in paradise than in eternal torment.

Also, I don't want this existence! This existence is filled with pain and suffering. I don't want that! No, I am looking forward to what comes after this existence!


Doc try not to knock this existence. For all it's pain and suffering it is a GREAT GIFT. We are so very lucky to be here to experience this pain and suffering. It defines our existence and is as important as the Love. Without it what sense would any of this make?

  

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I agree, it is a great gift. And, the pain and the suffering "grows" us, if I can put it that way. But, the promise of something beyond without the negatives of this world is something to look forward to even more.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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I agree, it is a great gift. And, the pain and the suffering "grows" us, if I can put it that way. But, the promise of something beyond without the negatives of this world is something to look forward to even more.


If anything promises you anything it's only doing that because it needs you. You and me are only pieces in a much bigger picture. Our ego and existence are very important but not necessarily to US as an individual. We are only small parts of this whole thing and what we do serves a much higher purpose as part of the Whole. The Whole thing called Life. Pray, worship, do whatever you feel is good. It's all meant to be and is good.

  

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You are right, God does need us. He wouldn't have created us if He didn't.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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I am being real.

Now it sounds like you are being closed minded. So, let's be a bit open minded for a sec, okay?

What if Heaven is timeless as opposed to forever? That brings a bit of a different light on it. I can't really say I have a grasp on timeless. But, if I am right, I now I would rather live the afterlife in paradise than in eternal torment.

Also, I don't want this existence! This existence is filled with pain and suffering. I don't want that! No, I am looking forward to what comes after this existence!


I am the most open minded person you will ever meet. Forever can be a split second when your lights go out for the last time. Everlasting torment can be a forever if your last minute of life is that. Time and Timeless is all relative. If your existence is enriched by believing in what you believe, I say go for it. Your belief can make your last minute of life Paradise. It really does depend on what you believe. There is one thing I strongly believe in and that is believing.

  

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Unfortunately, it does depend on what you believe. Or, to be more precise, it depends on whom you place your trust in. I don't think I quite understand your belief in simply believing. If that is the case, no one has the wrong belief. That leads to chaos.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Unfortunately, it does depend on what you believe. Or, to be more precise, it depends on whom you place your trust in. I don't think I quite understand your belief in simply believing. If that is the case, no one has the wrong belief. That leads to chaos.


Welcome to the human race. It's always been chaos in many respects. I don't think there will ever be a definitive answer to it. But one thing you can count on is life will live. If life needs to believe in something in order to live it will. If there is anything eternal I believe it is life itself. It will do what ever it needs to do to live. Many times that can include to die.

  

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#205. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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If you can't figure that out we have nothing more to discuss. I am the product of 50,000 generations that preceeded me, and at least that many more will hopfully follow me. I owe a debt to those that produced me and a duty to those that will yet come.

I did what I could to leave a better real world, and I think I have succeeded at least as well as most. I have no interest in an imaginary world. This one I know exists. That is good enough for me, I have no fear of death nor desire for immortality.

Shelly

  

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#206. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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I guess when in the military you were not in the proverbial foxhole.

  

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I never had any fear of death then either, which is largely why I'm still alive.

Shelly

  

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#218. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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It's not imaginary.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Me too!

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#207. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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By birth or of your choosing later in life?

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By choice, I spent a lot of years looking at many religions, and found them all preposterous.

Shelly

  

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I find many theories of man preposterous, such as evolution (Charles Darwin contradicted himself about 38 times in his "Origin of the Species" not to mention his assumptions were mainly based off the simplicity of the cell, which with his instruments looked very simple, but with today's instruments looks extremely complex).

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And you manage to inject yet another reason not to take you seriously.

Arguing against evolution based on the mere fact that Darwin didn't get everything right is ridiculous. You do realize that there has been 150 years of research since the publishing of Origin, and ALL of it has supported the essential idea that life has evolved.

Do you know how much evidence has pointed to divine creation? None. Zero. Zilch. Unless you are stupid enough to take a 2000 - 3000 year old text as convincing evidence.

Give it a rest. You haven't convinced anyone, and I think you have now damaged your credibility to the extent that you never will. Just agree to disagree and let this end.

  

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There is plenty of evidence, beyond what I have stated about Darwin, that shows that evolution has not happened. Science has yet to bring any conclusive evidence that evolution has happened. One of the big things people always point out that supports evolution is that different fossils are in different layers of the Earth, with the different layers laying down over huge stretches of time. Why then are there dinosaur fossils with human fossils, in the same layer, in Texas? Why is there a layer that contains nearly every type of animal fossil that ever existed? There are so many more examples pointed out here: http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/LifeSciences29.html

Just like climategate, science has gotten into a mode where if evidence points to a major theory being wrong (evolution, old earth, global warming, etc), they try to sweep it under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist.

Do you know why people so readily believe in evolution or some other major science theory? Because they accept the superficial evidence presented to the people with the degrees, think that the detailed science behind it would take too much time to understand, and because of that don't take the time to study it out for themselves. I can't blame them because we are so ever busy in our lives.

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There is plenty of evidence, beyond what I have stated about Darwin, that shows that evolution has not happened. Science has yet to bring any conclusive evidence that evolution has happened...

Your ignorance of science and evolutionary theory is monumental. Evolution "has not happened?" Evolution is not something that just "happens" and then takes a break. Evolution is a process taking many millions of years, and it never stops. It is happening all around us, but at such a glacial pace that one random slice of time will show nothing.

I know I am wasting my time communicating with you, but your misstatements are so egregious that I just can't let them pass. *sigh* The world is populated by fools and charlatans like you. You are all so tiresome. I do wish you would just go away.

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Well, what I am saying is that evolution (at least the biological kind) doesn't occur AT ALL. I never claimed it occurs, stops, and starts again or happens all the time at very slow rates.

There is a lot of evidence that points to evolutionary theory being wrong. It just goes against the popular thinking that it is ignored in hopes it will go away.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Well, what I am saying is that evolution (at least the biological kind) doesn't occur AT ALL. I never claimed it occurs, stops, and starts again or happens all the time at very slow rates.

There is a lot of evidence that points to evolutionary theory being wrong. It just goes against the popular thinking that it is ignored in hopes it will go away.


How could evolution be wrong. All living things adapt to their environment. That is just basic science. You have lungs because you need air a mouth because you need to eat. Bears up north are white because of snow. Do I really need to go on? You may be religious but I really doubt your that stupid to think otherwise. I quess you thought your teeth where there so you just look pretty.

  

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You don't need evolution if we were created the way we are.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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You don't need evolution if we were created the way we are.


I am done with this

  

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It looks like the only way to stop this is to totally ignore this thread.

  

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As closed minded as you claim that I am, you all aren't willing to be open to what I am saying. Ironic, isn't it?

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totally ignore this thread or start another topic here. This has been kind of interesting. What is your take on being Brainwashed with Religion?

  

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What is your take on being Brainwashed with Religion?


I'm surprised more people aren't, after all, the groundwork is done by the Santa Claus myth.

Jim.

  

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totally ignore this thread or start another topic here. This has been kind of interesting. What is your take on being Brainwashed with Religion?


I agree Mike, lets end it. It's pointless.

I leave with this, from Bertrand Russel:

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."

  

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I leave with this, from Bertrand Russel:

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."

Ahh, Horatio, Sir Russell is one of my favorite iconoclasts and critics of Catholicism. In which of his writings did he do a thorough job of tearing the ten commandments to shreds? Was it Marriage and Morals?

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What is your take on being Brainwashed with Religion?


You can be brainwashed with anything. But, it is only brainwashing if you are forced. I am not forcing anyone here. Then again, our culture is being brainwashed through our youngest members, in public school. No wonder home schooling is becoming popular.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Actually it's more like their skin is black, & their fur is colorless (clear & tubular). (Helps in obtaining warmth & maintaining body temperature.)

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Bears up north are white because of snow.


Actually it's more like their skin is black, & their fur is colorless (clear & tubular). (Helps in obtaining warmth & maintaining body temperature.)

Just something to bear in mind

I just can't bear the truth. Ya I read that before. How about the rest of the white artic beasts is this true for all of them? Just curious.

  

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Speaking of bears.They're getting bad up in Canada.
Don't know where I first saw this a while back.May have even been here so if it's been posted before well here it is again.

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This is becoming idiotic. Evolution is th most documented scientific event. in your own body there are vestigial organs inherited form previous life forms you evolved from, parts of your brain are reptilian. your ignorance of science is beyond all belief. Wallow in ignorance if you wish, but leave the rest of us in peace.

Not one paragraph in the old or new testament was written by any God. The Old testament was a collection creation myths of primitive tribes handed down by oral tradition for thousands of years before they were ever written down. The authors of the new testament are listed in the chapters. Heaven and hell were created by the clergy as a tool to control their flocks.

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Funny how more and more science is backing up the "myth" stories of the Old Testament. Did you know that science has found Egyptian wheels and chariots at the bottom of the Red Sea? Hmmmm... how did they get there? Why would the Egyptians cross the Red Sea in land vehicles if it was deep with water? What about the ruins of Jericho showing the walls were pushed out rather than pulled down? If they were pushed out, either the people of Jericho destroyed their own wall or something else happened. Also, the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah show that a great force destroyed them from above. In that time, what could man have done to destroy from above? You just haven't been keeping up with your science, Shelly.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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When I was a kid growing up in a small town in Arkansas there were a lot of things taught to us and other things we absorbed just being around adults. Things like chewing with your mouth closed, no elbows on the table and above all politeness and respect for elders and other people's property. As young boys we learned that you never hit a girl and you didn't punch a guy wearing glasses and, as applies here, you didn't swear in the presence of females or other places such as a nice restaurant, church, etc. Over the years I don't think either my mom or dad ever heard me utter a swear word and my 46 year old son has probably not heard more than an occasional mild expletive.

When I post to an internet forum or group I really have no idea who might be reading or visiting so out of respect I refrain from profanity. Just as I wouldn't break wind, swear or belch loudly on a crowded elevator or restaurant I elect to remain civil on internet groups. Does it bother me when others use profanity? Not especially. It does, however, make me a bit sad to see the growing disrespect for others and a general "I'll do whatever I darn well please" attitude.

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Les, thank you for a voice of reason. Bless you.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Come on now....if a little profanity is the worst thing that happened to you, then you have had a pretty good day !

  

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Come on now....if a little profanity is the worst thing that happened to you, then you have had a pretty good day !


But, it doesn't have to happen. And, it is one of those things with self discipline, that can be controlled.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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You're loving every minute of this aren't you? You're Jesus in the temple preaching to and being excoriated by the heathen. Chalking up major points with the big guy. Boy did you luck out with this thread. You must feel like a pig in shit.

You're working your zealot butt off to get to heaven.

Well, I hope someday you make it, because you and your vision of the place deserve one another.

Good night, sleep tight
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Well, I guess you haven't paid attention. There is nothing that I can do to get to Heaven. That's the point. Jesus is the only one that could get me to Heaven. If it was up to me to do something to get to Heaven, then Jesus dying on the cross means nothing. Instead, His death on the cross means everything.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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You are inexorable and a complete waste of time.

  

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Why do you waste your time on me then? I too could say you are inexorable. But, I hope that isn't true.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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I haven't been here for some time and this one is new to me. I haven't read all the thread, so, if what I'm posting is redundant, please forgive me.

Ian,are you guilty of 'calling the kettle black'? Have you forgotten what you stated your hobby to be in your member profile. See the attached for a reminder.


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I haven't been here for some time and this one is new to me. I haven't read all the thread, so, if what I'm posting is redundant, please forgive me.

Ian,are you guilty of 'calling the kettle black'? Have you forgotten what you stated your hobby to be in your member profile. See the attached for a reminder.



I said I wasn't coming back to this thread but that is great.
From the man who got this whole ball rolling.Just click his name and see the words he doesn't want us to see.And possibly degrading to women also dependind on how you see it.
I hope he hasn't left and is still following this.
Just a thought.Maybe he changed it before he left as a parting jab to the forum.
If that has Always been there what a hypocrite.

Rab

  

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Just a thought.Maybe he changed it before he left as a parting jab to the forum.


Probably. Kind of juvenile.

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Quote:
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I haven't been here for some time and this one is new to me. I haven't read all the thread, so, if what I'm posting is redundant, please forgive me.

Ian,are you guilty of 'calling the kettle black'? Have you forgotten what you stated your hobby to be in your member profile. See the attached for a reminder.



I said I wasn't coming back to this thread but that is great.
From the man who got this whole ball rolling.Just click his name and see the words he doesn't want us to see.And possibly degrading to women also dependind on how you see it.
I hope he hasn't left and is still following this.
Just a thought.Maybe he changed it before he left as a parting jab to the forum.
If that has Always been there what a hypocrite.

That was a Jab and a slimy thing to do. His use of the F word in his profile is vulgarity and ofensive. If I was one of the Mods I would delete his profile just as he wants. Using profanity in this manner is wrong because it was intended to be hurtful. Not so much the word itself but how it was used. My bets are he will come back here using a different name. That is not very difficult to do. Talk about burning your bridges. I learned a long time ago never to do that. If his Account was deleted would that erase this stupid thread and anything he ever posted? I say DO IT!

  

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#276. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Oh ya Baby.
Sid, I swore off this comedy earlier, but then I saw your post...

absolutamente Brilliant!!!

  

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I had scanned this unbelievably long topic and swore I would stay out of it. Then I read your post, Michael, and checked Sid's post.

I damn near fell onto the floor laughing.

I think Tiger Ian has some explaining to do!

biggrin biglaff roflmao

  

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What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Seems like two correspondents have severely shot themselves in the foot

  

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I am not sure what you are referring to.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Great catch, Sid .

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Wow.........this is TMZ material!

  

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(I had no clue what TMZ was.)

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Well, this video is a little raw, so if cursing offends your sensibilities please don't watch it, but if you do, don't complain to me. It is quite apropos to finish off this exceedingly tiresome thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

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You know, that video is so pathetic. And you know why? Because, first off, it is obvious he isn't saved. Second off, he isn't saved because he doesn't believe. Third off, it is obvious he doesn't know the Bible because if he did, he wouldn't be making such obvious inaccuracies in his "routine". Although, the only truly funny thing in that routine is at the end where he asked for Joe Pesci to be blessed by God. And, he seemed sincere about that. Isn't that odd?

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Sigh...

Say goodnight, Gracie.

  

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What do you mean he's not saved? It's even on You Tube! The original performance was on HBO in digital HD!!

Shelly

  

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Now you are being funny.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Thu Dec-17-09 10:56 PM by Sid

          

And, Shelly, I saved him in my Best Videos folder.

Hey, I posted earlier and can't find it. Wonder where it went. It had to do with the craziness of religion and its zealots. Oh, well, Carlin did it better than I ever could.



EDIT: I found my previous post, it's #290. Be sure to read it.

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Now,that was epic!

  

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Yep, epic in nonsense.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Well, this video is a little raw, so if cursing offends your sensibilities please don't watch it, but if you do, don't complain to me. It is quite apropos to finish off this exceedingly tiresome thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o


I loved it. The best part was in the beginning. He will send you to Hell for eternal pain and suffering but he loves you. Believe or not believe it's all about you and you are free to believe anything you like. Why would a loving God send you to Hell for anything when it was Him that created this evil sinner? Why would such a perfect being create such imperfect beings and then send them to hell for his mistake. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

  

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Thu Dec-17-09 08:54 PM by Doc

  

          

The answer is simple. Do you want to be a robot? I doubt it. God could have made you so that all you did was do what He told you. You would be a robot. I have seen many comments on the forum lately saying they don't all want to be alike, it would be boring. Neither does God want us all to be exactly alike. Neither does He want automatons doing everything He wants just because He says. So, He gave us free will choice. He loves us; so, He gives us the ability to make our own choices. And, He only wants those to obey Him that truly love Him because they want to, not because they have to.

But, on the other hand, He is a Holy, Righteous God. If you had a child that broke some of the house rules, wouldn't you punish him or her? Of course you would. We are the children of God. And, He is far more patient than any of us. He will wait your whole life before punishing you. He gives you the chance to rectify your life. And, He gives us a great guide in how to do that in the Bible and in those that follow Him. It isn't like we are all blinded to what God wants. He tells us. The Bible is the biggest best seller EVER.

We have to decide, through our free will, if we want to love Him and obey Him. If we don't, we know the punishment. That punishment is there because God can't be with sin. Until we choose to love Him and accept His Son, we are sin. And when we get to the point of death in this world, we have two places to go. Either we will be with Him, if we are pardoned by the spilled Blood of the Christ through our free will choice of accepting Jesus. Or we continue in our sin nature and only have one other place to go.

God does love us. He gave us free will. He didn't want us to be robots. He sent His Son to die on Earth so we could live in paradise. Would you send your own son to die? Think about it. But, He also isn't going to let sin slide, just like you wouldn't let your child, if you had one, get away with breaking your rules.

Here's another way to think about it. How would you feel if a judge let a murderer, convicted by his jury of peers, go without any punishment? I think you would be outraged. So, why should God be any different? Now, it has been law in history that an innocent person could take the place and the punishment of the convicted murderer. The judge would then pardon the convicted murderer (but he would still be guilty of the crime) and the punishment would be inflicted on the innocent person. I bet this scenario didn't happen a lot. But, that's what Jesus did. He took the place of us. He took the punishment for us. And, did He ever get punished. A normal man wouldn't have lived through everything Jesus did BEFORE the cross, let alone hanging on the cross for hours.

Just think this through.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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We are the children of God. And, He is far more patient than any of us. He will wait your whole life before punishing you. He gives you the chance to rectify your life.

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How would you feel if a judge let a murderer, convicted by his jury of peers, go without any punishment? I think you would be outraged.

Yeh,I'd be damned outraged if the judge let the murderer stay free until he died to decide his punishment.

Rab

  

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Yeh,I'd be damned outraged if the judge let the murderer stay free until he died to decide his punishment.


You want it both ways.

You want God to just forgive and yet you want instantaneous judgment! You can't have it both ways. Do you realize, under your statement, you wouldn't have lived very long. The first time you ever did anything wrong as a kid, you would have died. So would EVERYONE! No one would be saved. Is that what you want?

Not only that, the judgment God gives is everlasting. Waiting til the Earthly death is nothing compared to everlasting judgment. A human lifetime is nothing compared to God. At least He does gives us a chance to have it righted. Under you, nobody would have that chance. I am glad you aren't God!

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Yeh,I'd be damned outraged if the judge let the murderer stay free until he died to decide his punishment.

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You want it both ways.

You want God to just forgive and yet you want instantaneous judgment! You can't have it both ways. Do you realize, under your statement, you wouldn't have lived very long. The first time you ever did anything wrong as a kid, you would have died. So would EVERYONE! No one would be saved. Is that what you want?

Not only that, the judgment God gives is everlasting. Waiting til the Earthly death is nothing compared to everlasting judgment. A human lifetime is nothing compared to God. At least He does gives us a chance to have it righted. Under you, nobody would have that chance. I am glad you aren't God!


You can twist anything people say can't you.
You are the one who made the analogy between God and a judge.
You said we would be outraged if the judge let the murderer go without punishment.
Yes we would.
Yet your god would let the murderer stay free and try to rectify his life and wait til the end to decide the punishment.
Seems to me you are the one wanting it both ways.

Quote:
You want God to just forgive and yet you want instantaneous judgment! You can't have it both ways.

I never said I want God to forgive.
That's what I am trying to tell you.I don't care if God forgives because I don't believe in him.

By your theory we should just do away with the whole justice system because instantaneous judgment is wrong.
We should just let people do whatever they want (murder,rape,steal,etc) and let them go about their lives until God makes his determination what to do with them at the end.

So should we let murders and such stay free and let God decide or should we lock them up???
Which is it??
You can't have it both ways as you say.

You mean we can't lock 'em up and then let your God decide how they spend the afterlife.
If that is the case then it seems the world has had it both ways for a long long time.

If their was no "instantaneous judgment",as you put it, then Jesus would never had been crucified and your beliefs would never had come about.

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DocThu Dec-17-09 11:29 PM
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#317. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You can so twist words with the best of them. You didn't understand a word I said. It's a shame.

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#319. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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An eye for an eye, or turn the other cheek?
Can't have it both ways.


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DocFri Dec-18-09 12:06 AM
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#321. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You haven't paid attention. An eye for an eye was old testament law. Old testament law was to show we can't possibly be sinless. We are no longer under that law. We are under the age of grace. You are right, you can't have it both ways. And we don't. We had one. Now we have the other.

You all haven't studied the Bible. Yet, you think you know it, when you don't.

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#322. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-18-09 12:12 AM by troy614

          

I studied life and have discovered 2 things, there is no God, or if there is, he is an ignorant prick.

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DocFri Dec-18-09 12:14 AM
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#323. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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What a depressing life you lead. Sounds like you have no hope. Well, you really don't. I might be depressed too. I am sorry for you.

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troy614Fri Dec-18-09 12:15 AM
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#324. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-18-09 12:18 AM by troy614

          

Don't be sorry for me, I am happy living my own life, my way.
Doc, you have a right to your beliefs, we have a right to ours.

We don't try to change yours, so why do you continue to try and change others?




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DocFri Dec-18-09 12:32 AM
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Oh but you see, society (and I am sure you lead a life close to general society's) tries to change my beliefs everyday. Turn on TV. It blasted at you. Look at ads; and, it's blasted at you. Go on the Internet; and, it's blasted at you. You living that life and promoting it yourself is, in effect, trying to change my beliefs. That's what people fail to see.

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#330. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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The internet/Tv/ads can not influence me.
An innocent childs death, murderers/rapist/child molesters who go free, does influence me.
Men of the cloth have studied the bible and how many now have been found to be molesting children? And what do their peers do but try and cover it up.
No thanks, I think my beliefs are more moral.




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DocFri Dec-18-09 01:21 AM
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#333. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Now you are stereotyping. Because some in religion do wrong doesn't mean they all do. You can take ANY profession and find molesters. Are you going to boycott EVERYTHING? Beside, I don't advocate Catholicism. There are many things wrong with the Catholic belief. Please don't lump me in with them.

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#358. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Now who's stereotyping?



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DocFri Dec-18-09 12:02 AM
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#320. "RE: This is a family forum..."
In response to rabgary (Reply # 313)


  

          

Quote:

You can twist anything people say can't you.
You are the one who made the analogy between God and a judge.
You said we would be outraged if the judge let the murderer go without punishment.
Yes we would.
Yet your god would let the murderer stay free and try to rectify his life and wait til the end to decide the punishment.
Seems to me you are the one wanting it both ways.


Nope, I don't want it both ways. Man will (or should unless your name is O.J.) punish the murderer. Then God has His turn, if the sinner hasn't repented.

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I never said I want God to forgive.
That's what I am trying to tell you.I don't care if God forgives because I don't believe in him.

By your theory we should just do away with the whole justice system because instantaneous judgment is wrong.
We should just let people do whatever they want (murder,rape,steal,etc) and let them go about their lives until God makes his determination what to do with them at the end.

So should we let murders and such stay free and let God decide or should we lock them up???
Which is it??
You can't have it both ways as you say.

You mean we can't lock 'em up and then let your God decide how they spend the afterlife.
If that is the case then it seems the world has had it both ways for a long long time.

If their was no "instantaneous judgment",as you put it, then Jesus would never had been crucified and your beliefs would never had come about.


Here's where you don't understand. We all sin. And all sin is of the same value to God. Man may place a sin greater than another. But, God doesn't. Lying has the same sin value, if you will, as murder. Have you lied? We all have. If we had instantaneous judgment, we would all be in hell right now. Where is the sense in that? God is patient and does give us time to get right with Him. Believe me, we do pay for our sins on Earth (most of the time). But, in the end, without the blood of Jesus covering our sin nature, we will end up in judgment.

And, I never said we should let murderers go, or rapist, or anyone else. In history, if an innocent person decided to take the punishment for a guilty man, then the guilty man would be pardoned (but still guilty) and the innocent man would get the punishment. It isn't like that today, thank goodness. Nor do I think it should be. God never wanted it that way either. I didn't say He did. But, man did do that at one point in history, including around the time of Christ on Earth. However, God used that as an example, because man at the time understood the principle, so that His Son could die for our sins. He was the innocent that took our punishment; so, we can be pardoned.

Please get your facts straight before you end up twisting all around like you have.

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#325. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"His Son could die for our sins. He was the innocent that took our punishment"

So if this is true then what is there for you or anyone else to do or not do. It's a done deal and there is no need to Preach, judge or save anyone. This act according to the word did it all. Why then do you need to do anything? If you really believe, then we are all saved by this act.

  

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DocFri Dec-18-09 12:35 AM
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No... you missed the fact that we have to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. We have to live our lives for Him. It's not a done deal.

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#328. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior" This is a modern idea. His act saved us and that is the deal. That is what the word states. He died for our sins and because of that act we are saved.

  

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DocFri Dec-18-09 01:15 AM
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#332. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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No, that's not a new concept.

Romans 10: 9-10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Romans is certainly NOT a new book nor a new concept. You have to believe in your heart that Jesus was raised from the dead in order to be saved. And notice, it not just a simple prayer you have to say. You have to believe it in your heart.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Again, notice you have to believe in Jesus to have everlasting life. The book of John certain isn't new either.

Again, the book of John, John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

You have to have Jesus to go to (God) the Father. The only way to go to the Father is to be in Heaven. The only way to Heaven then is to have Jesus. And the only way to have Jesus is to believe in Him, believe in who He is, and follow His way.

It is NOT a done deal.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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#347. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-18-09 04:57 AM by trapper

          

Doc:

I believe that someone already asked you this but I haven't seen your response:

What happens to all the other people of the religions of the world such as Judaism,Budhism,Muslims,Jehovas Witness, etc etc? Or, the people who have never heard of Jesus?
Do, they all go to hell and suffer eternal damnation?

Does the murdering rapist go to the same place as the person who lied or covetted his neighbor's wife?

trapper

  

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#331. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Fri Dec-18-09 01:13 AM by rabgary

  

          

Quote:
Nope, I don't want it both ways. Man will (or should unless your name is O.J.) punish the murderer. Then God has His turn, if the sinner hasn't repented.

Thank you!!!
So we can have it both ways.
1-Man will (or should unless your name is O.J.) punish the murderer.
2-Then God has His turn, if the sinner hasn't repented.

That is having it both ways and all I was asking in the God and judge analogy.
Quote:
You mean we can't lock 'em up and then let your God decide how they spend the afterlife.


You just don't want it both ways??

Quote:
Nope, I don't want it both ways.

In those short 3 sentences you have either totally contradicted youself or showed that you really have no clue as to what you or anyone else is saying in this thread

Rab

  

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#335. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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You are getting your own words twisted now. Because the "both ways" you are referring to in your last reply has nothing to do with the "both ways" in my prior reply. Please keep your words untwisted. Thanks!

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#311. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Getting saved is like getting infected with a mental disorder. YOU may eventually see the Light. I am not attacking you as a person because I know your a good person or really want to be. Just be a good person and stop tryng to save the world because you will fail.

  

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DocThu Dec-17-09 10:04 PM
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#312. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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It's no mental disorder. And, I know I won't save the world (funny though, doesn't stop politicians). I know not everyone will be saved. And, it is really sad.

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#329. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Doc,
I think this well known quote from the Historian Stephen Roberts says it better than I can:

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”


and a question for you.
I only ask because you appear to know everything with such certainty and will no doubt want to answer and clear this thing that has always puzzled me about religion since I realized I was an atheist around the age of 9 or ten.

What about the hundreds of millions of Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, and animists and everyone else who does not accept Jesus as his personal savior?
Tell me about them please. Do they all face the fiery pit on judgment day?

  

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#334. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Yes.

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#349. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Alright! Finally, the bottom line!

So, is that enough for you folks who continue to trade with and encourage this inexorable, single-minded fanatic?

There is a reason we turn his like away from our door, because once they have their foot in...

So, for further consideration of bumper-sticker theology, sophomoric reasoning, self-delusion, cult speak, intolerance and hateful sanctimony, please refer here (http://www.watchtower.org/) and let this throwback return to his cave.

  

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Hallelujah.

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The Jehovah Witnesses? Come on. You can do better than that. They have more problems with their theology than the Catholics. Don't put me in their camp.

What do you mean he's the Doctor? Doctor Who?

  

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Fri Dec-18-09 02:55 PM by jazz4free

  

          

I could do much better, but the effort would be wasted on you. I'm not fond of pissing into the wind.

So, sorry, I'm not interested.


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#361. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Doc:

Here are the questions I asked you ---- which you seem to want to ignore.
How about it Doc?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What happens to all the other people of the religions of the world such as Judaism,Budhism,Muslims,Jehovas Witness, etc etc? Or, the people who have never heard of Jesus?
Do, they all go to hell and suffer eternal damnation?

Does the murdering rapist go to the same place as the person who lied or covetted his neighbor's wife?

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#362. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Quote:
QUOTE:
Doc:

Here are the questions I asked you ---- which you seem to want to ignore.
How about it Doc?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What happens to all the other people of the religions of the world such as Judaism,Budhism,Muslims,Jehovas Witness, etc etc? Or, the people who have never heard of Jesus?
Do, they all go to hell and suffer eternal damnation?

Does the murdering rapist go to the same place as the person who lied or covetted his neighbor's wife?

trapper
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They suffer eternal pain and damnation, what did you think? The Loving Holy Father has no tolerance for ignorance. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse. You better get your act together or your ass is grass too. Murdering rapists, liars, thieves and those that covet their neighbor's wifes have nothing to worry about so long as they get their asses saved. Just to be safe you should make sure you get saved annually. Make note on your calender. Things to do...Hmmm get saved. To hell with everybody else. I do it at least once a month along with a system cleanup and defrag. Humans are nothing but little Satans and less than animals if they don't.

  

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Quote:
QUOTE:
QUOTE:
Doc:

Here are the questions I asked you ---- which you seem to want to ignore.
How about it Doc?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What happens to all the other people of the religions of the world such as Judaism,Budhism,Muslims,Jehovas Witness, etc etc? Or, the people who have never heard of Jesus?
Do, they all go to hell and suffer eternal damnation?

Does the murdering rapist go to the same place as the person who lied or covetted his neighbor's wife?

trapper
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They suffer eternal pain and damnation, what did you think? The Loving Holy Father has no tolerance for ignorance. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse. You better get your act together or your ass is grass too. Murdering rapists, liars, thieves and those that covet their neighbor's wifes have nothing to worry about so long as they get their asses saved. Just to be safe you should make sure you get saved annually. Make note on your calender. Things to do...Hmmm get saved. To hell with everybody else. I do it at least once a month along with a system cleanup and defrag. Humans are nothing but little Satans and less than animals if they don't.




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Quote:
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Well, this video is a little raw, so if cursing offends your sensibilities please don't watch it, but if you do, don't complain to me. It is quite apropos to finish off this exceedingly tiresome thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o


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Be Careful if you cross that Youtube threshold.........it is the Devil's workshop......it was there I was told that if you spell dog backwards................

  

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Shelly

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Shelly, I just want you to know, that was 10:13 of my life that you just wasted.

And I thank you for that .

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The simple truth is that there is not a shred of empirical evidence that Jesus actually ever existed. Every single historic reference to him is in religious writings, all of which were written long after his alleged death by people who could not possibly offer first hand testimony.

If anyone is interested in investigating for the truth I urge you to take the time to read the following link for a serious scholarly analysis of the issue. It probably will change few minds. since few have the courage to reconsider what they already believe, regardless of how much evidence is presented to convince them. Intellectual cowards are urged to not bother.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Shelly

  

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Quote:
QUOTE:
The simple truth is that there is not a shred of empirical evidence that Jesus actually ever existed. Every single historic reference to him is in religious writings, all of which were written long after his alleged death by people who could not possibly offer first hand testimony.

If anyone is interested in investigating for the truth I urge you to take the time to read the following link for a serious scholarly analysis of the issue. It probably will change few minds. since few have the courage to reconsider what they already believe, regardless of how much evidence is presented to convince them. Intellectual cowards are urged to not bother.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm


Thank you for that account which was most informative in many areas of detail.
When you add that to the volumes of information readily available regarding the evolution of language in the Christian bible through the original Hebrew of the Old Testament, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin translations of the New Testament and then the many different English versions one has to wonder at the idea that people can take it to be literal in any sense of the word.

But, as you mentioned - few have the courage to reconsider what they already believe.

It is a great work of literature that one can and maybe even should read as a story simply because a lot of great literature would not make much sense without a knowledge of the bible.

My argument is with people who would teach my children that the book has anything to do with truth.



  

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flmcgSat Dec-19-09 05:41 AM
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It is a great work of literature that one can and maybe even should read as a story simply because a lot of great literature would not make much sense without a knowledge of the bible.

A VERY good point. I'm not the least bit religious; In fact I have no tolerance whatever for religion of any stripe. It's all crap. BUT ... and this is a BIG "but" I have a very special version of the King James Bible sometimes known as the Washburn College bible. In brief, the aim of this version is to keep the language of the King James version intact, but restructure the lines so that they read more like poetry. Older versions of the KJ version ran out each line to the margins of the page with no regard for poetry, meter, rhythm, etc. This version undertakes to correct those typographical conventions of the 17th century.

It is really quite enlightening to read this version, NOT in the religious sense, but with regard to literature. It's all fiction of course, but of a kind that has informed our best writers, playwrights, poets and historians for centuries. Even atheists (such as I am) can profit from reading this version. I make no apologies for my complete abhorrence of religion, but the Washburn College Bible is well worth owning and reading, as LITERATURE, not as the word of (the non-existent) God. And I apologize for extending this miserable discussion even further.

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#370. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Hey, never apologize for conversing in a thread here. You aren't contributing to the miserable festivities, just discussing something that came up. The only regret is that the thread is so long and difficult to navigate. But when something comes up in conversation, it's best that it be spontaneous rather than start some new thread and say 'Hey Horatio...' unless it's significant enough to you to warrant that.

I don't really have a lot of time for reading books, so the bible wouldn't be my first choice over a science fiction or war type novel, but I can appreciate that some of it is entertaining to read, or interesting to study. (For example, I enjoyed some of the stories in it)

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#373. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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(For example, I enjoyed some of the stories in it)


Hopefully the sexy ones documented before we arrived at this fucking age of grace.

BTW, I'm currently belatedly into Asimov's Foundation Trilogy. Great stuff, but written in 1950 when everyone, including Asimov apparently, was smelling up the joint smoking disconcerting cigars.

  

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#372. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Frank discussion, even in this bitch of a thread
which at times has more resembled a well-rehearsed harangue in search of an audience, is not ever miserable. Disturbing maybe. But should it question comfortable misconceptions or shine a light on the paucity of intellect, it serves.

The Bible, our bible in any translation or version, is a collaborative effort according to the consenus of those interested and invested.

In particular, the King James version reads beautifully, but as does a Shakespeare sonnet or a Hemmingway anecdote in which observered trout hold fast beneath a country bridge against the stream.

When encountering visionary rheortic, most soar for the moment in borrowed thought, but then return to the deliberate and exigent, allowing that moment a place to serve a larger experience and intellect.

Others, their brain chemistry perhaps momentarily fucked up and ripe to suggestion, discover Christ in similar phrase. And, perhaps in desperate need of what they think salvation, cling to the moment and and persue enlightenment until it consumes reason, negates dialogue and insults the very soul they think to serve.

I cannot consider anyone is doomed to perdition because he does not think or worship as I. Such thought and its submission to larger consideration leaves the door open wide to oppression. And we all are witness to the result.

  

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#351. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Could this thread be one of Ian's jokes?

  

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#356. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Certainly the most active .

(And it keeps on growing. And look how long it's been since a fowl word has been uttered in this thread, which after all is what it all started out to be about.)

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LesFri Dec-18-09 06:41 PM
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OK.... here's a fowl word.... chicken!

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#363. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Look what I wrote the last time we had one of these little tirades:

Quote:

Well Davy, now you've gone & done it.
A little innocuous thread with the subject, "I wonder how many "Regulars" we have here...".
Oh my, what the world coming to.

... Much less without even a mean spirited word bantered about. ...


http://www.pcqanda.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=459970#460846

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#364. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Not a reply, just a comment:

I have just come to realize that there really is a God! His name is Shelly.

No shit! Seriously, do you know anyone else who knows every-f**king-thing-on-earth???? Shel is a veritable walking encyclopedia of existence.

I've never met the man, except for this forum, but, I swear, I've never encountered a wiser individual.

So, a thousand years from now, the archaic non-thinkers of the day will be praying to the memory of Shelly, savior of their techno-woozo universe while other, more thoughtful individuals, will be saying "Whoa, Nellie, what's with this 'God Shelly' shit?"

Just a thought.

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`The Best` scientists do not even have a clue about climate change, much less than the wonderments of nature and its complexities. We humans have alot to learn.

  

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Now you are flat out frightening me Sid!

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Now you are flat out frightening me Sid!


Shelly is our God.

  

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Sh-lly

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#378. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Look what I wrote the last time we had one of these little tirades:


Well Davy, now you've gone & done it.
A little innocuous thread with the subject, "I wonder how many "Regulars" we have here...".
Oh my, what the world coming to.

... Much less without even a mean spirited word bantered about. ...


http://www.pcqanda.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=459970#460846


Okay, Rube...you seem to be quite good at finding threads...there is a thread I started a few years back, asking people about their computer backgrounds...remember that one? I would like to revisit it, but can't seem to locate it. Any ideas?


DavyWavy -

  

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#380. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Click the "Joined Threads" on any forum main page to view the last 50 threads you have participated in - not just those you've started.

Jim.


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Appreciate that, Jim...but this thread was about 3 or so years ago...a lot longer than 50...


DavyWavy -

  

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Ah, sorry. I misread the time period.

Any idea what the title was? And which forum you posted it in?

Jim.

  

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Posted in Computer Forum...can't remember the title...was asking people about their computer background...


DavyWavy -

  

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#385. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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Hooray... no new posts from Doc. Is this thread finished now? Struth it's only morbid curiosity that keeps me coming back!

  

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Hooray... no new posts from Doc. Is this thread finished now? Struth it's only morbid curiosity that keeps me coming back!


I wonder what finally did it? Something in one of the Million posts must have hit a nerve.

  

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#391. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"Are you computer-related employed?"

Patience and perseverance, that's how.
Jim.

  

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Is this the longest thread ever?

  

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Is this the longest thread ever?


It's a darn shame if it is the longest thread.

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I've been pissed for awhile now, that not only is this the longest thread ever, but also that I wasn't the one who started it.

Visit the Basement

  

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Actually, if you eliminated the contributions of just one poster the thread would be quite short.

Shelly

  

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#374. "RE: This is a family forum..."
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"A family forum",-- and "just like a family" with different opinions and everyone thinks they are right!

For me, if I don't like something written on the board, I simply SOB (scroll on by). It's just like life, there are times you have to tolerate things that others say and do.

I always look for the good in a person, and try to overlook their faults.

I won't deny myself of the privilege of receiving the knowledge and help I find here, just because I don't agree with someone's personal views. If we all did that, what a narrow little world we would be living in.

" Arlene
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Amen. Well said Arlene.

  

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Arlene, I agree with Tim, you have penned some very good points to live by.

I have to apply similar restraints around my 'neighborhood', an enclave of Southern Baptists. However, I do, genuinely, find most of these
idolaters to be good people, despite their confusion from a lifetime of brainwashing by their church. An ancient notable (I think it was Cicero) coined the expression, here paraphrased, "A steady dripping wears away stone." A weekly (Sundays) drip of religious dogma is bound to wear away the reason of a mind not determined to contemplate life as it really is. A dogma cleverly styled to appeal; promising an everlasting life of heavenly luxury, free of fret and torment. No more itchy hemorrhoids, pimples, buggers, head lice, unsavory bodily functions (ugh!), just to name a few. No more pesky in-laws, traffic tickets, stumped toes. Ahhh, the promises of salvation are endless. All you have to do is believe.

And, that's the rub.

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I would like to have the time to answer you Sid, but I will be late for church!

But I am not Southern Basptist.

Have a good day wherever you live.

" Arlene
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Believe and pay.

Shelly

  

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Believe and pay.


It's a well known fact that you can also buy your salvation. They have some very good deals especially around this time of year.

  

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