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jasonlevineThu Dec-13-01 09:45 PM
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"OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"


  

          

Check on CNN.com for a clip of it. I haven't had the chance to watch it, but some of the excerpts of Bin Laden are chilling:

Bin Laden, at one point, explains: "We calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of all.

"Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for," bin Laden says.


I don't see how anyone can doubt Bin Laden was responsible for the WTC attacks after this.

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AlThu Dec-13-01 10:03 PM
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#1. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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Transcript available here: http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2001/US/12/13/transcript/binladentape.pdf



  

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jasonlevineThu Dec-13-01 10:32 PM
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#2. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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Thanks for the link Al. I didn't see that.

From the transcript: UBL: He did not know about the operation. Not everybody knew (...inaudible...). Muhammad ((Atta)) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qa'ida Egyptian Group), was in charge of the group.

So Bin Laden just confessed that Atta, who was a higher-up in Al Qa'ida, was in charge of the operation and that he knew about it before it occured. Proof positive straight from the horse's mouth... or would it be the other end of the horse.

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VarthlokkurThu Dec-13-01 10:05 PM
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#3. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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Yeah, I read the text also. I wonder what the non believers will say. Scary how they keep on saying how joyous everyone was.

  

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TuffThu Dec-13-01 10:19 PM
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#4. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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It sure shows to all just how sick their minds really are,and to think they really believe it is even worse.I just hope the World unites,and rids us of all the terrorists wherever they may be.Tuff









  

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scaramoucheThu Dec-13-01 10:36 PM
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#5. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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Was there ever any doubt about the evil that lurks in the minds of men/women. the chilling part is how they can influence the thinking and mindset of people. No matter the evidence there will always be a hardcore group that believe the US deserve it and that Osama... was innocent.

I would rank him in the category of Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Castro the mass murderers of modern times.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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jasonlevineThu Dec-13-01 10:39 PM
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#6. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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I think the writers at Marvel put it best in their Spiderman issue dealing with the WTC disaster:

Only madmen could contain the thought. Execute the act. Fly the planes. The sane world will always be vunerable to madmen. Because we cannot go where they go to conceive of such things.

(Yes, I know the idea of a comic book dealing with this seems in really bad taste, but they managed to pull it off. There's one point where Spiderman finds a kid sitting in the rubble waiting for his father who just headed back "for a minute." Before he can say anything else, the firemen walk by carrying his father's lifeless body. When the kid sees this and cries out for his father, it gets me every time. :'( )

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NytOwlFri Dec-14-01 04:54 AM
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#7. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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>Only madmen could contain the thought. Execute the act.<

"Madmen"?
Definitely, the tape made public today removes any doubt about that.
Anyone who gets pleasure from the tradgedy of Sept. 11 is terminally psycho.
To understand these demented monsters, you have to have a basic understanding of what they believe in.
It's called Wahhabism.

Here's the best quick study I've found for anyone that's interested.
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Wahhabism:
For more than two centuries, Wahhabism has been Saudi Arabia's dominant faith. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who don't practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Wahhabism's explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madrassas) and mosques from Islamabad to Culver City, California. Here are excerpts from FRONTLINE's interviews with Mai Yamani, an anthropologist who studies Saudi society; Vali Nasr, an authority on Islamic fundamentalism; Maher Hathout, spokesperson for the Islamic Center of Southern California; and Ahmed Ali, a Shi'a Muslim from Saudi Arabia. (Also see the Links and Readings section of this site for more analyses of Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia.)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html
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NytOwl

  

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GreyFalconFri Dec-14-01 05:36 PM
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#8. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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Is everybody ready to park their SUV's? This won't end until we deal with Saudi Arabia.

  

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jasonlevineFri Dec-14-01 06:57 PM
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#9. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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I'd be ready to. When I'm ready to buy a car next, I'm going to look into the Toyota Prius. It's a gas/electric hybrid that gets 50mpg. The Honda Insight gets more mpg, but doesn't look as nice. Hopefully other automakers will make gas/electric hybrids and I'll have a nice selection to choose from.

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NytOwlSat Dec-15-01 07:00 AM
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#10. "RE: OT - They relased that Bin Laden tape"
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I wish it wasn't so, but sooner or later the can of worms labeled Saudi Arabia will have to be opened.

NytOwl

  

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