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MykThu Oct-03-02 07:38 AM
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"What? No gun topic yet?"


  

          

Well, if you don't know, the UN has declaired England as having the highest crime rate in the industrialized world.
Can't say we didn't warn you, because I know I definitely did.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200207/15/eng20020715_99700.shtml

While I'm hopeful that the US lawmakers AND the UN pay attention to this, this is one time that I can't say that I'm happy about being right.

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JPThu Oct-03-02 07:48 AM
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#1. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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"An armed society is a polite society"

I keep thinking of the old Westerns when I hear that.

"Excuse me sir."
"Beg pardon M'am."
(along with a tip of the hat and perhaps a slight bow)

JP

  

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MykThu Oct-03-02 07:53 AM
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#2. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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Heh, forget about politeness. An armed victim at least has a chance at not being a victim.

Which reminds me, just last month (I think, maybe it was this month) The Armed Citizen had two jewelry store shootings. And people wonder why I want to own a gun for personal protection.

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LaurieThu May-22-03 01:51 AM
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#3. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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Thu Oct-03-02 08:24 AM

  

          

I totally agree.







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ablibThu Oct-03-02 10:46 AM
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#4. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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LOL you scratched out your weight?!!! too funny. }>

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MykThu Oct-03-02 03:24 PM
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#5. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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Young and armed. You're trying to win my heart aren't you

Hey, that weight is highly classified information.

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anthonySThu May-22-03 01:51 AM
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#6. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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Laurie is definitely cool. What we need is a national gun permit. I live near the NJ/PA border and I can't bring my gun into NJ. Getting busted with it isn't even what I'm worried about- it's getting busted with the bulets I carry in the gun (hollowpoints). The fine is several thousand dollars per hollowpoint.

One of the reaons I enjoy living in PA is because I can carry a concealed weapon (with a permit). For years, even though you had a permit, you were not allowed to carry in a class 1 PA city (philadelphia and Pittsburg). It never made sense to me because those are the two places you would need a gun to defend yourself the most. That's why I'm NOT voting for Ed Rendell for PA governor next month. He fought tooth and nail and even sued the Commonwealth when they lifted the class 1 city gun ban several years back.

Here's my License to Carry a COncealed Weapon:



http://cyclingcaptured.com

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garbruThu Oct-03-02 08:47 AM
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#7. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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I agree. If more good people carried Guns less bad people would be comitting violent crimes. I myself would not want to carry a gun around, just not my thing, but I would feel more comfortable in public areas if more good people were armed and ready to handle some of the aweful violent outburts by armed trouble makers.



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SmokeThu Oct-03-02 11:22 AM
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#8. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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Here's a scrap I saved, but didn't save the source, pretty sure it was from a pc911 thread.



Let us, for example, take a look at how the media reports mass shootings in America. Three illustrative cases will help us draw inferences as to the nature of these incidents and their reporting by the media.

In Pearl, Miss., in 1997, 16-year-old Luke Woodham used a hunting rifle to kill his ex-girlfriend and her close friend and wound seven other students. It was Assistant Principal Joel Myrick who retrieved his handgun from his automobile and halted Woodham¹s shooting spree. Myrick held the young delinquent at bay until the police arrived. Later it was discovered that Woodham had also used a knife to stab his mother to death earlier that morning. While the shooting was widely reported, the fact that Mr. Myrick, an armed citizen, prevented a larger massacre with his gun was ignored by the media.

In Edinboro, Pa., in 1998, a deadly scenario took place when 14-year-old Andrew Wurst killed one teacher and wounded another as well as two other classmates. The shooting rampage here was halted by merchant James Strand who used his shotgun to force the young criminal to halt his firing, drop his gun, and surrender to police.

But yet, in another unreported incident in Santa Clara, California, Richard Gable Stevens, rented a rifle for target practice at the National Shooting Club on July 5, 1999 and then began a shooting rampage, herding three store employees into a nearby alley, and stating he intended to kill them. When Stevens became momentarily distracted, a shooting club employee, who had a .45-caliber handgun concealed under his shirt, drew his weapon and fired. Stevens was hit in the chest and critically wounded. He was then held at bay until the police arrived. A massacre in the making was prevented. The unknown employee was an unsung hero ignored by the major media. Why are these and other similar incidents, where the tables are turned and citizens use guns to protect themselves and others, not reported by the mainstream media?

By and large, to read about acts of citizens using guns for self or family protection, one has to read Robert A. Waters¹ excellent book, The Best Defense,31 for rarely do these acts get publicized in the mass media, nor do these cases get compiled, studied and published in the medical journals, as public health investigators do with their "gun and violence" research.

Moreover, rarely, if ever, are constitutional or historical issues covering the Second Amendment aired in the most widely utilized medium ‹ television. Mass murders and street violence on the other hand, get the lion¹s share of coverage ‹ particularly, when committed with firearms. And as anyone who takes even a cursory look and flips the pages of medical journals knows, these criminal shootings are studied and reported extensively in the medical journals, such as the NEJM, JAMA, Western Journal of Medicine, and even the state medical journals.*

Let me tell you about one more atrocious incident where innocent victims were killed or injured, and yet, this episode was not given the attention others are given simply because it was not committed with firearms. In May 1999, a deranged individual wreaked deadly havoc at a Costa Mesa, California daycare center playground, killing two toddlers and injuring 5 people. Steven Abrams, the 39-year-old assailant told police, "I was going to execute these children because they were innocent." After this barbaric act, Abrams calmly and unhurt sat and waited for police.

Needless to say, there was a big difference in how this incident was reported as compared to the saturation coverage of the Pearl, Miss.; Edinboro, Pa.; or the Littleton, Colo., shooting, which had occurred only a few days earlier. The difference: In this 1999 incident, the assailant used an automobile, a Cadillac to be exact, not a firearm.32


  

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mcnallyjpThu Oct-03-02 12:52 PM
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#9. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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Hello Myk,
I am having a bit of trouble with that link. I would like to read the article but my browser timesout with page unobtainable etc.

Jim

  

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MykThu Oct-03-02 03:22 PM
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#10. "RE: What? No gun topic yet?"
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It was very slow for me too. It was just one I grabbed off a search engine that wasn't a biased pro-gun site.

You should be able to find an article in an English paper called The Independent. Here it is, http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=314832
You might even be able to find it at the UN site.

I don't have all my favorites in my clean install yet or I could probably find it for you at every English online newspaper.

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