http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/18/2093907.htm

United Nations secretary-general Ban Ki-moon says climate change already under way is more frightening than any science fiction movie.

Mr Ban was speaking in Spain at the release of the fourth report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The IPCC's latest report is a distillation of their previous work and states the evidence for climate change is "unequivocal".

It says there is a 90 per cent chance that climate change is caused by human activity and may bring "abrupt and irreversible" effects.

It warns that deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions are needed quickly to avert more heat waves, melting glaciers and rising sea levels.


Over 2,500 scientists were involved in the preparation of this report

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/090307warminghoax.htm

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

I've often wondered about the source of the paranoid balderdash you support. I wonder no more.

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The paranoid balderdash is Al Gore & what's the other freekos with the baseball cap, hmmm Micheal Moore type of fearmongers!!!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

I'll admit that I don't have all of the data to refute all of those claims. (Mainly because I don't have the time to gather all of the data.) So I'll just debunk a few of them:

The one before last I don't believe but I'll take a shot at the last one. First the source "wikipedia" can be edited by anybody so is not reliable. Second who in God's name would know what was in the atmophere 400,000 years ago???

It's a money thing. Scientist love it, especially the ones that want quick grants in a hurry.

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

They examine Ice Cores from the Arctic or Antarctic.

Ken:

While anyone can edit Wikipedia, it can still be very reliable when you check the sources that the data comes from. In this case, here are the data sources:

Also since you so love Al Gore, That last chart was also presented in his presentation about Global Warming

You may not like the man, but he does represent the right on this. Can't say that I blame you, don't much like him either.

Now granted... Let me throw something out at you. The jews didn't like Jesus either. They wanted a warrior, not a peace talker to get them out of bondage. Does it make him wrong? Did you have to like him?

Some people will be upset that I compare the two. Sorry to make anyone think that Al is like Jesus, because he's not. I'm showing you a situation, not a similiarity. Get over it.

Al Gore is not the best of people, don't like him, don't care for him. However, what he shows in "An Inconvenient Truth" does not reflect himself. It reflects the scientific community he's attempting to represent.

You are using a dubious site when you use that source.It can be modified and much of it is opinion !

81 Newbee

Check post #14 where I cite the sources that went into that graph.

Thank you,I have read many of the sources and am convinced that they(the experts) are not really sure what may happen.Some instances in the past have melted the ice and cooled the oceans resulting in a change of the flow of currents which then resulted in a global cooling pattern.Yes they are concerned and say our" poking a "stick" (greenhouse gasses) may upset our climate) and that we should avoid doing it.They are NOT really sure what it might cause ,in fact, other than saying it is "dangerous" !
Since China ,India. Russia,and even Africa will develop and add to the "stick" in much greater amounts than the US, it seems our hope is to prepare for the problem that is coming.My flouescent bulbs will not fix it,nor will reduced driving of my 4 cylinder Honda .Lets build the dikes while we still have the time>Or now that they have lowered the depth of the flood in the latest forcasts ,build the solar arrays or a fix for the next potential result they predict.

81 Newbee

off topic got any info on an issue with connAPI.dll and ADPproxy.exe errors ????

Post those questions in the computer forum & you'll get the help you need!!!

Dave101

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Key Findings of UN Scientific Report

Nov 17, 4:23 PM (ET)

By The Associated Press

The following are some key findings in a report issued Saturday by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:

- Global warming is "unequivocal." Temperatures have risen 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit in the last 100 years. Eleven of the last 12 years are among the warmest since 1850. Sea levels have gone up by an average seven-hundredths of an inch per year since 1961.

- About 20 percent to 30 percent of all plant and animal species face the risk of extinction if temperatures increase by 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit. If the thermometer rises by 6.3 degrees Fahrenheit, between 40 to 70 percent of species could disappear.

- Human activity is largely responsible for warming. Global emissions of greenhouse gases grew 70 percent from 1970 to 2004. The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is far higher than the natural range over the last 650,000 years.

- Climate change will affect poor countries most, but will be felt everywhere. By 2020, 75 million to 250 million people in Africa will suffer water shortages, residents of Asia's large cities will be at great risk of river and coastal flooding, Europeans can expect extensive species loss, and North Americans will experience longer and hotter heat waves and greater competition for water.

- Extreme weather conditions will be more common. Tropical storms will be more frequent and intense. Heat waves and heavy rains will affect some areas, raising the risk of wildfires and the spread of diseases. Elsewhere, drought will degrade cropland and spoil the quality of water sources. Rising sea levels will increase flooding and salination of fresh water and threaten coastal cities.

- Even if greenhouse gases are stabilized, the Earth will keep warming and sea levels rising. More pollution could bring "abrupt and irreversible" changes, such as the loss of ice sheets in the poles, and a corresponding rise in sea levels by several yards.

-A wide array of tools exist, or will soon be available, to adapt to climate change and reduce its potential effects. One is to put a price on carbon emissions.

- By 2050, stabilizing emissions would slow the average annual global economic growth by less than 0.12 percent. The longer action is delayed, the more it will cost.

Shelly

I rest my case. Hogwash, propaganda, fearmongering to say the least.

The UN lost it's credibility a long time ago!!!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

And the sun travels around a flat Earth?

Dave101 said he doesn't believe the United Nations IPCC report. There is plenty of other evidence to support global warming theory but accepting anything the UN says at face value is ludicrous.

Their statistics and conclusions are almost always "got at".

The most recent example, something which has been known for years but finally admitted:U.N. steeply lowers its AIDS estimates

That has nothing to do with global warming, but everything to do with not believing everything you read.

Read Dave101's previous posts here and in other threads on this subject.

What does my previous posts here & in other threads have to do with the fact that the UN numbers have been highly politicized because they are used to govern the distribution of billions of dollars???

I would re-read your own post #9 to see if it was:

1: On topic
2: An opinion
3: Delibrate attempt to highjack the thread
4: Personal attack

Like I said in a previous post, what I post is my opinion only which I'm entitled to and you my dear Noreen are entitled to yours. Cheap shots will not make me fly off the handle, they will be answered with a respectful post.

Have a beautiful day!!!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Your previous posts reflect on your attitude towards global warming. My reply 9 was my reaction to your post and was therefore on topic. Nobody has said or even implied that you aren't entitled to your opinion............and it's pouring with rain here.

The United Nations IPCC report is the result of the work of 2500 of the worlds leading scientists. It is fortunate that we have a handful of members here whose individual wisdom far exceeds that of all these scientists put together.

The argument about the reality of global warming ended several years ago for all but the terminally ignorant. The planet is undeniably warming, and human activity is a major contributor to that warming. The only areas under discussion now are how bad will the effects of warming be, how fast will it increase based upon current data, and what, if anything, can we still do to slow it down.

Political bias, and wishful thinking, will have no influence on changing the chemistry or physics behind the problem.

For billions of years the Earth was much warmer than it is today, and there was no water in frozen form anywhere on the planet. For most of this time there was no animal life on the land areas of the planet.

The first amphibians left the oceans for the land only 350 million years ago. The first small Mammals appeared 200 million years ago. The first animals that looked vaguely like humans appeared about 2 million years ago they were just animals that had slightly larger brains in relation to their body mass, but still just animals. The first agriculture appeared around 8000 years ago, and finally early humans could stay in one place instead of following food, build villages, and eventually the first cities about 6000 years ago.

So for all those billions of warm years there was no life on the land, any complex life existed only in the water, slowly evolving. There were no humans, and certainly no civilization.

To throw around terms like the Holocene Maximum as if you actually knew what you were talking about is silliness. It is properly called the Holocene Thermal Optimum. It occurred between 9000 and 5000 years ago, about 3000 years after the end of last great ice age, and at its peak was only one degree C above today's temperatures.

Shelly

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Here is one of many parts of Shelly's post that I wholeheartedly agree with:

That's probably because you can't debate an argument by yourself Twister!!!

Everyone knows the planet is warming, the debate is about the cause & future consequences. The data & the 2500 scientist working for big bucks is what you'll never get me to agree on.

See Twister I don't rely on others to present my opinions & I don't need webster or spell check to make my posts look beautiful.

Have a beautiful day. (Hope it's not raining or snowing)

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

James,my friend,I plead ignorance, but ,it is not that there is no global warming ,only.about what will happen as a result of it.I fear it has gained cult status .The early predictions were not so great and I doubt that they really are able to predict that far out with the degree of certainty they profess to.
I cited before the coffee studies that are published that are frequently altered .There are level of brightness in science and they are also subject to "Go along with what's the latest" as are other humans.There is little room for doubt that the earth is warming but a lot of room to question the result predicted by the doomsayers !

81 Newbee

I think Shelly was referring to the Holocene Maximum mentioned in Dave101's link of post #1. In other words Shelly was calling that link BS.

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Very observant of you, Whippersnapper. Nice catch...

Seems our transient and seldom humble genius, Mr. No One in particular, is at it again. What a sweet guy!

Mr No_one is Tom & unlike your post he was on-topic!!! Now that the thread is likely on it's way to hell I will stoke the fire a bit!!!

Your three-year electronic paper trail consist mainly of highjacking & personal attacks, if ya was a good debater you'd steer clear of that behaviour & post something of substance.

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

You seem to have this anal "thing" about staying on topic. Perhaps you would care to submit guidelines for us to follow.

Almost every discussion that happens on this forum, as they do in life, takes on its own dynamic. We are not a single mind composing a beginning, middle and end for a set piece, but a whole bunch of very different people each bringing his or her own experience and perspective to the table.

This tends to result in a lot of ragged edges.

That appears to make you very uncomfortable. Perhaps because you haven't the depth of intellect to follow anything but a basic and unyielding line of thought. But you shouldn't be so selfish as to want your inadequacy to limit the rest of us in our fun.

Almost every thread here is "hijacked" in one way or another, whether or not I am a participant. As far as I'm concerned it's what makes things interesting.

But you're entitled to your opinion of me as I am mine of you.

Hell, here I am thinking I can carry on an adult exchange with a grown man who wears his ball cap backwards and thinks Darwin's theory is rotting our children's brains and contributing to the demise of the social order.

I must be balmy.

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Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself. Let people just think you a fool, stop proving it.

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Since you think you are so bright, If you can find one sentence in my post that was copied and pasted from any other source, I will send you a $100 check. I don't ever copy and paste anything without including attribution to the source. Every word of that post was written from my memory.

Shelly

You mean like the Bush administration "got at" scientific reports on this subject?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6341451/

But even George is beginning to grudgingly see the light, unlike you and Dave and similar troglodytes.

I think we all read here, it's comprehension that we're having a problem with.


The ignorance of assumption runs rampant.


So anyways, back to what you were trying to say. . . how can you say that there is absolutely NO evidence that global warming is real? Explain that!

Visit the Basement

Q.E.D.

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QUOTE:

You mean like the Bush administration "got at" scientific reports on this subject?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6341451/

But even George is beginning to grudgingly see the light, unlike you and Dave and similar troglodytes.

---

Paul D


If it weren't for google and other Internet sources of information. Many that would have us believe their super intelligence .would be nothing more than your troglodyte's. of course I prefer the real name,can you say cave man,like as in"Osama Bin Laden.Are you smarter than a 5th grader Paul

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Just as I thought ! You're not as smart a a 5th grader. Do you really think No One and Dave 101 has Cave Man mentality ? How about backing off the insults,after all that's not nice of moderators.

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I'll give it a shot:

If we didn't utilize resources such as the internet and books and periodicals as tools to inform and refresh our intellect; some here, who are obnoxiously ostentatious when it comes to the proper use of grammar, syntax and punctuation in our expression of thought, would be revealed to be charlatans, as ignorant as the avarage cave man before he had access to the internet, books and periodicals to inform and refresh his intellect.

In other words, we would be like Bob whose favorite tool of expression (it covers all the bases for him) is the smilie.

You spelled average wrong.

Visit the Basement

You're super observant today. Good stuff, Whippersnapper.

Not even close ! However you did reveal that your idea of intelect is to defamate ,insult,name call, and it is perfectly acceptable to you . My definition and observation of that is ignorance. You're so smart ,what are your credentials ? If you think that a vocabulary is a measure of intelligence then I think you are sadly mistaken.What do you have to go with it ? I really don't think you have impressed anyone here,and as for me" I'm not trying to,for what you or anyone else thinks here doesn't matter at all.But if you think so, continue with your denigrating insults,and don't bother to analyze the grammar, punctuation, ETC. I don't profess perfection, as some do here,as is obvious in their insulting post in response to others.

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You forgot the smilie.

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Should I have a go at translating this one, too

I got his point though! (Jim you reading?)


But I will have to share one of my annoyances.


Incorrectly placed and spaced punctuation.



like, this , is ,what I mean by the commas and periods , in the wrong place . There should be NO spacing ! !!


Or quotes" , without a beginning (or end)?

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Should I have a go at translating this one, too

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Don't waste your time Bob, you got 2 moderators & 2/3000 + posters personally attacking anyone who doesn't toe their line & like I said above sent this thread straight to hell. The embers are dying down, time to put the fire out!!!

P.S. I'm off to the capital in the morning so you all respect your fellow posters now you hear!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Main Entry: trog·lo·dyte
Pronunciation: \ˈträ-glə-ˌdīt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin troglodytae, plural, from Greek trōglodytai, from trōglē hole, cave (akin to Greek trōgein to gnaw, Armenian aracem I lead to pasture, graze) + dyein to enter
Date: 1555
1 : a member of any of various peoples (as in antiquity) who lived or were reputed to live chiefly in caves
2 : a person characterized by reclusive habits or outmoded or reactionary attitudes
— trog·lo·dyt·ic \ˌträ-glə-ˈdi-tik\ adjective

Thanks for the compliment!!!

Hospotality must be super great down under. I'll make a note to the wife to consider going under instead of Dominican Republic. Might even be a few spare caves to cut the cost!!!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

This is the same UN that now admits it used false imformation about the AIDS crisis to spur support and monetary contributions !

81 Newbee

Please provide a link to where the UN says that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucmg/20071121/cm_ucmg/istheunitednationsalwaysright

Bill K.

Please read my request again.

Bill K.

But where is the:

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The numbers have been highly politicized because they are used to govern the distribution of the billions of dollars in aid that is being poured into the problem by industrialized countries -- an estimated $10 billion this year.


Live from Ottawa!!! Big storm on the way.

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

81 Newbee

Nope he isn't using false information, you are!!!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

It's just a waste of my time trying to use reason with a person like you.

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

You don't debate at all. You just bluster.

That article is nothing but a biased opinion piece that leaves out the real facts, and what few numbers it does present are wrong.

The number od people in the world with HIV/AIDS has been reduced to 32.3 million. Not 3 million as the article tries to imply.

All UN figures on HIV/AIDS infection were and are a compilation of the numbers reported ny each member country. It was found that the numbers reported to the UN by India were high reporting 6 million instead if the actual 3 million, and the total reported by sub Saharan African nations was too high by about 2 million. This accounts for most of the 6 million reduction in cases reported by the UN.

Another implication the right has tried to foist on the public is that the UN figures were overstated to raise contributions to the UN and fill their coffers. This is nonsense, all contributions by member nations for HIV/AIDS are distributed to the afflicted regions of the third world, not used to enrich the UN.

I will also point out that the AIDS Epidemic may well have been contained when it first became known, if right wing religious fanatics had not regarded it as merely Gods punishment for homosexuals. About 90% of all AIDS in the world results from heterosexual behavior.

Some of the reports of member nations may have been inflated by some nations to gain more treatment money, but it is far more likely to have been the result of faulty communications within these countries, especially in the parts of Africa enduring civil wars.

Shelly

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

It has nothing to do with this thread. Apart from your hijack.

Is your name Shelly??? And it has everything to do with what they're discussing.

Rule 1: Read

Rule 2: Post

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Hey, I started the thread. It's about climate change. From memory (no, I'm not going back through 60 posts) it was you who introduced the idea that the UN is responsible for everything evil in the world.

No, it's your mind that's closed.

Shelly

Hmm, oh I see the difference all right and it is you did not read the yahoo article correctly!!!

Quote from yahoo: Just a few days later the United Nations released a new report in which it confessed its previous estimate of AIDS cases worldwide was inflated by more than 6 million sick people. In India alone, the number of AIDS patients estimated by the United Nations dropped by more than half, from 6 million to 3 million.

Un-quote: Now I see it confessed it's PREVIOUS ESTIMATE of aids cases worldwide was INFLATED by more then 6 million sick people.

In INDIA alone, the number of AIDS patients estimated by the United Nations dropped by more than half, from 6 million to 3 million.

Quote from Shelly: The number od people in the world with HIV/AIDS has been reduced to 32.3 million. Not 3 million as the article tries to imply.

Un-quote: Now show me where the article of yahoo sais that???

Ya see both articles were not biased. That's my point & yes I do spot the difference!!!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

See my post 71. The figures were not INFLATED, that conveys an entirely different meaning from what actually occurred.

And the source of the article is?????????????????

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Are you James?

Visit the Basement

I noticed that also Adam. The only one who would know for sure is Shelly. He can compare the IP addy plus old Ed was suppose to mail him a book at one time. Good eyes kiddo!!!

Dave101

"The only goddamn thing you know about the law is how to break it." Chief Lafleche

Your paranoia is showing, David.

But, when compared to the fit of chest-beating egomania you exhibited here, it is one of your more endearing psychoses.