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bkoenig1Fri Aug-29-08 01:57 PM
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"McCain's Pick"


          

Sarah Palin, of Alaska.

Good choice

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EthanFri Aug-29-08 01:59 PM
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#1. "RE: McCain's Pick"
In response to bkoenig1 (Reply # 0)


  

          

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Sarah Palin, of Alaska.

Good choice


why?


Ethan

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ablibFri Aug-29-08 02:00 PM
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#2. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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The female vote. To snub Barack.

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bkoenig1Fri Aug-29-08 02:29 PM
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#4. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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motherhood, apple pie, and Chevrolet. The American dream

Besides that she will appeal to the pro-life bunch,the feminists, and most women, and she is a real go-getter. She became governor because she disagreed with the governor they had, and told the people she could do better.

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#3. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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It should have been Capt. Kirk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dtP5dBHdo

Jim.

  

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bkoenig1Fri Aug-29-08 02:32 PM
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#5. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Too blunt and forthright. Not always good in politics

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jasonlevineFri Aug-29-08 02:38 PM
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#6. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I'm wondering how McCain's team will balance this pick with their attacks on Obama not being experienced enough. Obama was born in 1961 and has served 4 years as a US Senator. Palin was born in 1964 and has only been governor for 2 years. If Obama's too inexperienced to be President, then why pick someone with apparently less experience than him to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?

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#7. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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She appears to be a strong Conservative who opposes abortion. She is also under investigation by the state's lawmakers.

What is the US mood on abortion at the moment?

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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#8. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Divided as always. There are those who oppose it at all costs calling it murder and there are those who support it as an option for pregnant women to have. Personally, I'm with the latter group. I'm of the opinion that a fetus isn't alive from the moment of conception* and the woman should be allowed the freedom to make whatever choice she deems appropriate in regards to the fetus. I don't think abortion should be a decision that should be taken lightly (e.g. no "Oh well, if I get knocked up, I'll just get rid of it"), but it should be something that is available if a woman needs it.



* NOTE: According to the Jewish religion, life begins not at conception, but when the head leaves the woman's body. Until that point, the fetus isn't considered alive and the woman takes precedence.

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#13. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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* NOTE: According to the Jewish religion, life begins not at conception, but when the head leaves the woman's body. Until that point, the fetus isn't considered alive and the woman takes precedence.


Reb Jason, I have great respect for you, but a posek your not. The part about the womens life taking precedent was right but the rest is very much debated.

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jasonlevineFri Aug-29-08 04:26 PM
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#17. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Here's one quote I was able to find (from http://8e.devbio.com/article.php?id=162):

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The Jewish Talmudic Law assumes that the full title to life arises only at birth. Accordingly, the Talmud rules:

If a woman is in hard travail {and her life cannot otherwise be saved}, one cuts up the child within her womb and extracts it member by member, because her life comes before that of {the child}. But if the greater part {or the head} was delivered, one may not touch it, for one may not set aside one person's life for the sake of another (Talmud, Tohoroth II Oholoth 7:6; as cited by Jakobovits 1973).

This is the sole reference to abortion in the principles of Jewish law, and it is more explicit in emphasizing the belief that human life begins once the head of a full term baby emerges, because once the head emerges the infant is given the same status of human life as the mother.


There's a debate as to how much of a "harm" the mother must be in to justify an abortion (whether only if her life is in danger or if lesser circumstances qualify). Even taking the view that it should only be available if the life of the mother is at stake means that abortion should be legal and a decision that is up to the doctor and mother, not up to politicians.

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#25. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Divided as always. There are those who oppose it at all costs calling it murder and there are those who support it as an option for pregnant women to have.


Disagree. Woe V. Wade is not about "pregnanacy" but choice.
How dare males demand that their invidious reasoning be applied to preganancy, a dictate which literally enslaves a woman's human and civil freedoms?
The Supreme Court decided already. How you or I feel about the matter is nor should it be of any consequence.

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(SNIP)...a fetus isn't alive


Medically, the biological mass in the womb isn't considered "alive" until it can breathe on its own outside the womb.

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I don't think abortion should be a decision that should be taken lightly (e.g. no "Oh well, if I get knocked up, I'll just get rid of it"), but it should be something that is available if a woman needs it.


Please tell me the difference between imprisoning someone behind bars and imprisoning them behind invidious laws which deny them the right to do with their bodies what they damn well please?

  

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#9. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Fri Aug-29-08 03:10 PM by jazz4free

  

          

Sanely, it runs rather consistently around 65% favoring the right of the woman to choose.

The wealthy will always have the means to safely execute the option, the poor (should Roe v. Wade be repealed) will revert to the back alley and dirty coat hangers.

I have never been able to get my head around how self-righteous, fat-bellied old men think they have the right to direct a young woman's life.

  

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#20. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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James that is not really true, all overturning ROE V Wade would do is give each State the right to decide whether Abortion was legal or not. Overturning Roe does not make abortion illegal in all States.

  

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#21. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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James what is the percentage that believe in Partial birth abortion, most Americans do not believe in this form abortion in most cases the child being aborted is a viable living person.

  

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#23. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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The only poll I could find was done back in 2003. In that, 62% said it should be banned. When life of the mother was taken into consideration, though, 60% said it should be legal.

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#53. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Sanely, it runs rather consistently around 65% favoring the right of the woman to choose.
I have never been able to get my head around how self-righteous, fat-bellied old men think they have the right to direct a young woman's life.


Your 65% is a poll number off the streets of CA.
Women have a choice when they get pregnant, why should they have a choice to end a life?

  

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#54. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Women have a choice when they get pregnant, why should they have a choice to end a life?


Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973) in the U.S., thank god.

Jim.

  

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#56. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Women have a choice when they get pregnant, why should they have a choice to end a life?

Victims of rape and incest don't have a choice, but that doesn't matter to Palin; no termination of any pregnancy.

  

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#59. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Victims of rape and incest don't have a choice, but that doesn't matter to Palin; no termination of any pregnancy.


Abortions due to rape or incest are about 1% of all abortions
Abortions due to serious women's health issues are about 3% of all abortions
That leaves 96% for all other abortions performed in the U.S.

Even Pro Choice advocates would like to see a reduction in this 96% number.

I can certainly understand a woman's dilemma in the first 4%. Its the other 96% I have a problem with.
But since the far left and the far right will never come together on this, I don't waste too much time on these debates.

I am also against the death penalty, except when administered during the commission of a deadly crime.

  

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#60. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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If you really want to reduce the number of abortions in this country, stop the unrealistic teaching of abstinence that the religious right insists on exclusively promoting in sex education classes, and allow the teaching of effective birth control, and make it available.

Todays teenagers have the same normal sexual urges humans have always had, but our repressed society would rather rail against unwanted pregnancies than take rational measures to prevent them.

Shelly

  

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#61. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Abstinence is hilarious. I NEVER understood it. What a waste of money. When I was a teen, if anyone was still a virgin, it wasn't by choice!

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#95. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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When I was a teen, if anyone was still a virgin, it wasn't by choice!


  

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#63. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Abortions due to rape or incest are about 1% of all abortions
Abortions due to serious women's health issues are about 3% of all abortions
That leaves 96% for all other abortions performed in the U.S.

Whatever the statistics are, Palin would force those victims to carry their pregnancies to term.


  

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#57. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Sigh...

  

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#32. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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no comment.

  

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#10. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I'm curious why he picked Palin. Was it just a political gamble to sway women voters or does he honestly think she is the best there is for a VP and the best there is to run the country should something happen to him.

I'll bet Hillary would have jumped ship had he asked her to run with him.

Les

  

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#14. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I'm curious why he picked Palin. Was it just a political gamble to sway women voters or does he honestly think she is the best there is for a VP and the best there is to run the country should something happen to him.

I'll bet Hillary would have jumped ship had he asked her to run with him.



He has no choice but to "throw a Hail Mary". Regardless of what the Polls say, at the moment, Obama, IMO, is a sure fire bet to be the next President. Young, charming, intelligent and articulate He represents a huge change that the US is looking for.

Personally, although I am a Canadian & cannot vote, being an ex-Vietnam war vet I would vote for McCain. Anybody who can survive 4 years in a North Vietnamese POW prison, without breaking, has my vote. He must have suffered unimaginable horrors.

Guns don't kill people. Husbands who come home early kill people.

  

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#28. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Personally, although I am a Canadian & cannot vote, being an ex-Vietnam war vet I would vote for McCain.


How did that happen,did you volunteer?

Have a great day all!

  

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#11. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Fri Aug-29-08 03:44 PM by DavyWavy

  

          

I'm watching her speak right now on CNN...McCain's dead in the water.
My opinion...pls don't ask me to justify it...just my opinion...

Edit : My God! Obama's going to be be President!!!!


DavyWavy -

  

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#12. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Why?

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#15. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I had the same thought. The first thing that went through my mind as she approached the podium was "She looks like Tina Fey!" I half expected her to shout "Live from Ohio, it's Saturday NIGHT!"

Then she started speaking. She's not an awful speaker, but she's nowhere near as good or forceful a speaker as Biden is. If this first speech is any indication, she'll get ripped to shreds by Biden in the VP debates.

Picking her also makes it very difficult for McCain to wield what was perhaps his most effective attack: Obama's (supposed) inexperience. Obama was born in 1961 and has served 4 years in the Senate. Palin was born in 1964 and has served only 2 years as Governor. So if Obama is inexperienced, why pick someone with less experience to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency?

In the end, the Palin pick looks to me like an attempt to woo former-Hillary supporters into choosing McCain.

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#16. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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So if Obama is inexperienced,

Not if, he is. His only experience is a community agitator and professional politician.
He is paired with another professional politician that has accomplished nothing but win elections.
The democrat party's Presidential candidate is an inexperienced, unqualified trainee paired with a politician who has no practical, real world experience.

The Republican party's Presidential candidate is a military person who understands the threat of terrorism to the security of the United States of America paired with a candidate who has actually helped run a family business and has tormented her fellow Republicans when she felt they were in the wrong.

IMO, it is better to have a trainee in the VP slot than in the Presidential slot.

  

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ShellyFri Aug-29-08 04:31 PM
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#18. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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McCain said he would pick a running mate qualified to be President. Considering his age and health history that is the minimum the public has a right to expect. This is the least qualified Vice Presidential nomination since Dan Quayle. McCain has some 'splaining to do.

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#19. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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McCains pick just let a lot of air out of the democratic convention. A bold pick that I believe will pay off. Nevertheless, very interesting choice.

  

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#22. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I'm not so sure that it was his pick, but his decision to announce the day after Obama's acceptance speech.

Now comes a really interesting twist of fate. The Republicans might have to postpone their convention. Gustav is headed for the US coast and gaining strength. If things don't go well, it wouldn't look too good to have part of the US hammered and in dire need while the Republicans party away.

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#24. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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McCain said he would pick a running mate qualified to be President. Considering his age and health history that is the minimum the public has a right to expect. This is the least qualified Vice Presidential nomination since Dan Quayle. McCain has some 'splaining to do.


Gov. Palin is the only person on either ticket with executive experience. She is actually running a government. All the rest are merely legislators.

Her record seems to be one of actually doing something about corruption, strengthening
ethics, and serving those that elected her. She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska. She fires people for not getting it right.

Barry Bonds on his best day could not hit the ball out of the park farther than McCain did today.

Now a few thoughts on this abortion thingy.

Science has already determined when life begins. It happens at that moment when a male gamete combines with a female gamete. The result is a zygote, which is the beginning of human life. The dispute comes in with the injection of religion, and someone trying to say when the human soul is infused into the zygote-embryo-fetus-child. For those that don't believe in God/Religion, there never is a soul to worry about. For those that do believe, it is a serious matter that should be respected.

If one of the Mars Rovers came across a batch of these simple cells, scientists would declare that LIFE has been found on Mars. Then, all decisions made on exploration of Mars would be done with this life in mind - The credo would be to do no harm to the life that was found.

Too bad we can't practice that on this planet.

  

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#26. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Fri Aug-29-08 08:09 PM by EdGreene

          

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QUOTE:
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McCain said he would pick a running mate qualified to be President. Considering his age and health history that is the minimum the public has a right to expect. This is the least qualified Vice Presidential nomination since Dan Quayle. McCain has some 'splaining to do.


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Gov. Palin is the only person on either ticket with executive experience. She is actually running a government. All the rest are merely legislators.

Her record seems to be one of actually doing something about corruption, strengthening
ethics, and serving those that elected her. She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska. She fires people for not getting it right.

Barry Bonds on his best day could not hit the ball out of the park farther than McCain did today.

Now a few thoughts on this abortion thingy.

Science has already determined when life begins. It happens at that moment when a male gamete combines with a female gamete.


Parsing minutiae about life is the reason we're in this "...ball of confusion".

Religion has nothing to do with "life" per se but souls. One would catch all kinds of hell proving to me that that your pair of "Gametes" have first sentience and next, souls.

Prove away but the finely parsed "Thing" inside the womb, by law cannot be given a birth certficate("birth" being the operative wording), until it can breath on its own outside the womb.
Which is why my stillborn son does not have a "birth" certificate.
Better for my argument, he also does not have a "death" certificate... or an official name.
As far as the law is concerned, he never formally existed (except to my wife and me).
We do not know what occured later, but there also was no "funeral".

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(SNIP)For those that do believe, it is a serious matter that should be respected.


Agreed. But what and how they believe should not and does not take precedence over Roe V. Wade.

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If one of the Mars Rovers came across a batch of these simple cells, scientists would declare that LIFE has been found on Mars.


That is a "parsing too far".
They best say they have found something "alive" or living, (not life).
Your inference is and astoundingly, that the something "living" or "life" should, at the same time at first blush, be considered human "life" and thus sentient.

What a reach!
______________________
*Hey guys: what should we do aout the millions of fertilized eggs that get spontaneously aborted every single day?
We need laws to protect the spontaneously aborted!

Our rallying cry?
Justice for the spontaneously aborted”!

Lets run that idea up the flagpole and see if someone will salute it;
…comically, some people would.

  

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#31. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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They best say they have found something "alive" or living, (not life).
Your inference is and astoundingly, that the something "living" or "life" should, at the same time at first blush, be considered human "life" and thus sentient.


I'm parsing too far? Life to a scientist could be simply a single cell. That it would be sentient is putting far more in to it than I meant. Life is also plant life, as well as animal.

Quote:
*Hey guys: what should we do aout the millions of fertilized eggs that get spontaneously aborted every single day?
We need laws to protect the spontaneously aborted!

Our rallying cry?
“Justice for the spontaneously aborted”!

Lets run that idea up the flagpole and see if someone will salute it;
…comically, some people would.


I'm reaching? Wow!

  

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#33. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Science has already determined when life begins. It happens at that moment when a male gamete combines with a female gamete. The result is a zygote, which is the beginning of human life. The dispute comes in with the injection of religion, and someone trying to say when the human soul is infused into the zygote-embryo-fetus-child. For those that don't believe in God/Religion, there never is a soul to worry about. For those that do believe, it is a serious matter that should be respected.


I'm pro life (a loaded argument because the antonym "pro choice" implies pro death) when that life is viable outside the mother's womb. Invariably, without radical intervention and a lot of crossed fingers, that involves the third trimester of pregnancy.

Perhaps medical science will evolve someday to the ability to nurture a zygote into you or I outside its natural environment.

Until then your metaphysical musings leave me cold.

Show the physical evidence of a soul. None exists outside the boundary of speculation and faith.

And I, for one, am not disposed to consign a woman (in such circumstance almost always immature and left to her own devise) to an enormous responsibility she feels she is not able to bear because it offends my sensibility. I choose to respect her choice.

Secular law in all enlightened societies, sensibly, allows a woman that choice regarding her destiny. And she -- not we, you or I -- attempts sleep each night with the consequence of her decision. I reckon that decision is seldom, if ever, taken lightly.

  

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#96. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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None of us can show the physical evidence of a soul. But everytime I look in a mirror, I am subtly reminded that I am an individual peering out from behind these eyes. There is something residing there besides blood and soupy guts. We just don't know for certain what it is. So far, the only way each one of us will find out is for the blood to quit circulating.

I am convinced obviously by faith there is a "soul." But how it can be I haven't a clue.

  

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#27. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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In the end, the Palin pick looks to me like an attempt to woo former-Hillary supporters into choosing McCain.


That's exactly what it is,and will probably work with the majority of the hotheads.

This is also another good reason for the U.S. to add a 3rd party,something similar to what they have here in Canada.

Although it does seem ,the winner is usually from one of the 2 major parties anyway.

  

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#30. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Disagree. Palin will not bring in the majority of the Hillary crowd but will bring overwhelming support by the evangelicals. With all the issues of the day, the economy, the Iraq war, and terrorism to make abortion a key element of the election is folly. The majority of the country supports Row v Wade.

  

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#58. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Disagree. Palin will not bring in the majority of the Hillary crowd but will bring overwhelming support by the evangelicals. With all the issues of the day, the economy, the Iraq war, and terrorism to make abortion a key element of the election is folly. The majority of the country supports Row v Wade.


http://news.google.ca/news/url?sa=T&ct=ca/8-0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/&cid=1241591003&ei=Pia8SPnlD434lQSvhNXUAw&usg=AFQjCNG2wgHKVQATxsyNvs1JrnJJgNU0zw

I wonder how the ''evangelicals'' will like this?

  

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#62. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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That really should not have been used politically. The girl has a right to privacy, she is not the candidate. Unfortunately politics in this country has become a cesspool.

I do not believe for a moment that McCain was aware of the situation, or he would have made a different selection. The only reason for the choice was to placate the evangelicals. The vetting process was sloppy, and if anything casts further doubt on McCain's suitability to handle the intricacies of the Presidency.

Shelly

  

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#64. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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That really should not have been used politically. The girl has a right to privacy, she is not the candidate. Unfortunately politics in this country has become a cesspool.

I do not believe for a moment that McCain was aware of the situation, or he would have made a different selection. The only reason for the choice was to placate the evangelicals. The vetting process was sloppy, and if anything casts further doubt on McCain's suitability to handle the intricacies of the Presidency.


I agree and it does look like he hurried his decision...this more than anything could hurt him.

  

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#65. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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According to this, McCain knew about the pregnancy before he made his selection.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

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ShellyTue Sep-02-08 01:47 PM
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#66. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Of Course. He would have to say that in order to not look like a fool.

Shelly

  

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#67. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Possibly, or maybe they really did ask Palin tough questions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin

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#70. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Yes, Palins vetting questionnaire ran over 90 pages according to information released about it, plus a long questioning session by the vetter. The problem is did McCain, who had only met her once, bother reading the report, or just follow his "gut feelings" he is well known to do.

Shelly

  

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#74. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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According to this, McCain knew about the pregnancy before he made his selection.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2944356420080901?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true



I doubt very much that any politician would leave himself open to the type of scrutiny McCain is under right now,with his choice.

He didn't know at all and his advisors goofed badly doing their homework.

  

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#34. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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The U.S. has its third fourth and fifth parties. They are marginal (represented by the likes of Bob Barr and Ralph Nader) though perhaps less so than the ridiculous regional alliances we have here in Canada.

For instance we allow Le Bloc Québéçois (elected mainly out of the boondocks of my province), a party that preaches what in America would be considered sedition, to stand and deliver in our federal parliament in Ottawa.

The U.S. has a unique but well thought out form of representative democracy. The only quibble I have with it is its disproportionate and anachronistic electoral college which determines, despite popular vote, who will be their king or queen for the next four years.

  

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#29. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I'm watching her speak right now on CNN...McCain's dead in the water.
My opinion...pls don't ask me to justify it...just my opinion...

Edit : My God! Obama's going to be be President!!!!


Something I do hope that happens,but we are talking about a country still as racially bigotted as they were in the 70's.

I won't be holding my breath ,knowing how many underhanded and shady deals have gone down in recent years.

Just look at how the present admin got elected.



  

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#35. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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we are talking about a country still as racially bigotted as they were in the 70's.


Give credit where credit is due. America is taking yet another long hard look at itself in the mirror -- that is why it remains the great experiment that is the best hope of humanity.

In America bigotry is an issue open for discussion. In far too many other places it sleeps an unchallenged and hubris cancer of the soul.

  

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#36. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Sat Aug-30-08 01:54 PM by Pauliez

          

My two cents worth. (Oops, due to inflation the penny is now considered the dollar)

My two dollars worth.

McCain is getting on in years.

(I know he is older than me. Even older than Shelly)!

He could be concealing health problems.

If he makes it to the White House and passes on before his term is up, the we have the first lady president.

Looking at it from another angle, could Hillary have had anything to do with his decision?

You know that behind closed doors our politicians in all parties are always rubbing elbows. (and probably other items too).

  

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#37. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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One thing you can be sure of, himself and herself are working verry diligently to keep the messiah from being elected.
McCain will serve no more than four years and then the post will be wide open again.

  

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#47. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Actually, I think that regardless of who is elected in November, they will only serve four years. They will either fail to fix the problems that this country has and be voted out of office in favor of someone who will, or they will fix them and will have to resort to such unpopular methods that the public will want to be rid of them after 4 years.

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#38. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Who would you be more comfortable with to succeed on the death (perish the thought) of a president, Biden or Palin? I would go with Biden in a heartbeat.

  

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#39. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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McCain is not older than me.

Every voter is free to vote for any candidate, regardless of party affiliation, but in 2003 33% of registered voters identified themselves as Democrats, 28% as Republicans, and 24% as independents. according to the Harris Poll. There were 157.1 million registered voters (Wisconsin does not require registration).



How will Gov Palin affect the election? She is from th extreme religious right wing of the Republican party, and will no doubt energize that voting group that was at best luke warm to McCain, but once her philosophy becomes widely known, most Independents and most Democrats who might have been leaning toward him will flee.

Gov. Palin believes passionately in.

Banning all abortion regardless of circumstances.
Teaching Creationism in all public schools.
Home schooling of children.
Doing away with Social Security.
Believes that there is no Global Warming.

None of these are part of the core beliefs of most Americans. The selection of Palin as a Vice Presidential candidate, who has not been a Governor as long as Obama has been running for President, who was previously the Mayor of a town with a population of about 9000, which where I have lived is a voluntary unpaid position, and is now the Governor of a state with a total population about one eighth that of the city of Chicago, and is a member of a far right wing feminist organization, is an act of desperation By a Presidential candidate who knows that he is rapidly losing broad support. Last night I actually saw a Republican pundit claim Palin has foreign policy experience because Alaska is next to Russia!

He hopes to solidify the support of the religious right behind him, but at what cost? Is his judgment now so bad that he actually believes that Palin is fit to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, from being Commander in Chief? Is he now willing to gamble the future of the United States, and the world, to win an election?

We need an administration that believes in science and technology, in the guarantees of freedom enshrined in our Constitutuon, in restoring our plundered economy, and in growing instead of destroying the middle class. Otherwise our future is bleak, and the America so many of us fought for just a memory.

I may not be around to see if I am correct, but if McCain loses this election, as I believe he will, the Republican party will be out of national power for a generation. You will not see another Republican President before 2024.

Shelly

  

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#40. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Gov. Palin believes passionately in.

Banning all abortion regardless of circumstances.
Teaching Creationism in all public schools.
Home schooling of children.
Doing away with Social Security.
Believes that there is no Global Warming.





She also wants to commence drilling in the Arctic refuge near the Yukon,and McCain doesn't,which is probably the smartest thing I've heard from him.

Quote:
Believes that there is no Global Warming.


This alone may say it all about her.

  

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#42. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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What is your take on global warming and how is it affecting our country?

A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.


http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126139.html

I read this to mean she acknowledges global warming, but is not convinced humans are causing it.

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ShellySat Aug-30-08 09:22 PM
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#44. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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If she doesn't believe that human activity is a primary cause of Global Warming, she will be useless in doing anything to fix the problem. But then, she doesn't believe in science anyway.

Shelly

  

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#41. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Sat Aug-30-08 07:39 PM by Pauliez

          

Then how old are you Shelly??????

I thought McCain was older than every body on this forum!!

  

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ShellySat Aug-30-08 09:17 PM
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#43. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Older than I care to be, but not as old as some here think I am. I am in pretty good shape and people are very surprised when they find out about my age. I get funny looks when I request a senior discount in a reataurant, but I have been old enough to get the discount longer than most of these waiters or waitresses have been alive. It's just some good genes, my grandfather died at 103. My secret dream is to get carded in a saloon again.

Shelly

  

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#45. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Sun Aug-31-08 01:45 AM by Allyn

          

Shelly, I last was carded at a grocery in Mandarin (Publix if I recall correctly). I was in my late thirties or early forties at the time.

I wish I would get carded again...

  

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#46. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I'll be 73 in October, but I get carded at a local grocery store whenever I purchase an alcoholic beverage. The checkout person explaines that it's their company policy. I really don't mind,... it's a bit of a kick.

  

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#49. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I get that occasionally, too. But I was actually told by someone in Jacksonville that she was not sure of my age.

Maybe she was just being complimentary while doing her job.

Anyway, I would not mind being younger but with the wisdom I have attained to to date. Believe me, the last year has been a great lesson in life for me.

  

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#50. "RE: McCain's Pick To Shelly"
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If you want to get carded there is a way.

Go to a supermarket that has automatic check out counters.

Buy some beer and try to scan it at one of the automatic counters and the machines computer will call for a store clerk to come to your location and verify that you are old enough to buy that beer.

Works for me every time

  

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#51. "RE: McCain's Pick To Shelly"
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Hell, she can skin a moose and is a lifetime NRA member!

What more could you want for a Vice Preident?

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#48. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Last night I actually saw a Republican pundit claim Palin has foreign policy experience because Alaska is next to Russia!


I heard that quote also. Amazing the rationalizations some people will form.

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#68. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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The Cynicism Express

By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, September 2, 2008, The Washington Post

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Has anyone noticed that Sarah Palin's central claim to political fame is a fraud? She represents herself as a fiscal conservative who abhors pork-barrel projects and said no thanks to the "Bridge to Nowhere" -- a $398 million span that would have linked Ketchikan, Alaska, to its airport across the Tongass Narrows. But as mayor of Wasilla (pop. 9,780), she hired a Washington lobbyist to bring home the bacon. And as a candidate for governor just two years ago, she supported both the Ketchikan bridge and the congressional earmark that would have paid most of its cost.

I know, we're not supposed to pay attention to such inconvenient details. We're supposed to be dazzled by how unaffected she is, how plain-spoken, how "genuine."

Indeed, if you don't get hung up on her actual record, Palin simply is who she is. It's not her fault that she's a former Miss Wasilla with a campy "Northern Exposure" vibe, doctrinaire social-conservative views and no discernible qualifications for being vice president. It's undeniable that people in Alaska apparently like her well enough, though they seem to have been even more shocked than the rest of us when she was named to the Republican ticket. In any event, she's not the one who created this farcical situation.

We learned last week that John McCain is not who he is -- not, at least, who he claims to be. The steady, straight-talking, country-first statesman his campaign has been selling is a fictional character. The real McCain is either alarmingly cynical or dangerously reckless.

You will recall that McCain gave the same prime criterion for choosing a running mate that every presidential candidate gives: someone who is ready to step in as president if, heaven forbid, the need arises. Barack Obama echoed those words before picking Joe Biden, who is about as prepared as a vice presidential candidate could ever be.

You will also recall that McCain and his supporters have been lecturing us about the grave and urgent dangers our country faces -- Islamic fundamentalism, the resurgence of Russia and other geopolitical threats. In a menacing world, McCain says, he will keep America safe.

So, at 72 and with a history of cancer, how could McCain choose a vice presidential nominee who has, let's face it, zero experience in foreign affairs? Being the nominal commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard doesn't count, unless you think Vladimir Putin is about to order an invasion across the Bering Strait.

At a time when the nation also confronts enormous challenges at home, Palin has, um, slightly more than zero experience in domestic affairs. The reason most people move to Alaska is that it's different from the rest of the country. Salmon fishing and snowmobile racing are not front-page news in Ohio, Pennsylvania or Florida.

McCain's political calculation in choosing Palin is obvious. Social conservatives, who had been unexcited by his candidacy, are ecstatic that he has picked a running mate who staunchly opposes abortion, favors the teaching of "intelligent design" in the public schools and generally embraces the agenda of the religious right.

I have my doubts about the other objective of McCain's gambit: to win the votes of blue-collar women who supported Hillary Clinton. For one thing, these voters disagree sharply with Palin on most of the issues. For another, initial indications are that many women were insulted at the notion that they would automatically swoon over any candidate who happened to have two "X" chromosomes. Republicans tend to have a comically simplistic view of how "identity politics" works. They should recall how African Americans reacted when Clarence Thomas was named to the Supreme Court.

Whatever the political impact, so much for the John McCain we thought we knew. In choosing Palin, he cynically did the kind of thing that his party is always accusing Democrats of doing: He selected a running mate based on her potential ability to appeal to targeted segments of the electorate rather than for her honestly assessed ability to lead the nation should the occasion arise.

The other thing we learned about McCain is that he is willing to take an enormous gamble based on limited information. He only met Palin once before summoning her for a final interview. He realized he needed to shake up the presidential race, and that's what he did. But we are reminded, if we did not realize it before, that the three things not to expect from a McCain presidency are caution, prudence and a willingness to always put the nation's interests above his own.

  

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#69. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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QUOTE:She represents herself as a fiscal conservative who abhors pork-barrel projects and said no thanks to the "Bridge to Nowhere" -- a $398 million span that would have linked Ketchikan, Alaska, to its airport across the Tongass Narrows.


Actually, this is only Half-True. According to PolitiFact.com:

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In the fall of 2005, Congress removed the language specifically directing the money to the bridge, but it kept the money in place and left it up to Alaska to decide which transportation projects the state would like to spend it on.

By the time Palin pulled the plug on the Gravina bridge project in September 2007, much of the federal funding for the bridge had already been diverted to other transportation projects. The bridge would cost $398 million, Palin said then, and Alaska was $329 million short.


(Source: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/675/ )

She makes it sound like Congress gave her a check and she shoved it back in their faces. She didn't. She spent the money that Congress gave her and then "heroically" decided not to ask for more to build the Bridge To Nowhere.

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#52. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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#55. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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#71. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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If they keep digging perhaps they will find that at some time in her evil past she may have had a parking ticket or two. What a bunch of unadulterated

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#72. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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In 72 hours, the media has subjected Bristol Palin to more scrutiny than they've given to Barack Obama in two years. The moveons are in full blown panic mode.

  

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#73. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Maybe the American people are anxious to get acquainted with this enigma who may end up being a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Apparently, McCain wasn't too fussy and didn't do a hell of a lot of digging. So, guess it's up to the media...

  

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#75. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Wed Sep-03-08 03:54 AM by FHORNLEGHORN

  

          

Quote:
QUOTE:
In 72 hours, the media has subjected Bristol Palin to more scrutiny than they've given to Barack Obama in two years. The moveons are in full blown panic mode.


The media are vultures and they'll stoop to any level to sell newspapers.

But that still doesn't excuse McCain or his people for being so stupid.

Is this the type of leader americans need right now?

Someone who can't even get his VP choice right , without causing a storm of controversy.

  

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#76. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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The media are vultures and they'll stoop to any level to sell newspapers.


That's true. The TV was on and Entertainment Tonight came on. Before I turned the channel, I caught their teaser for a story they were going to air later: "What does Hollywood think of Palin's daughter being pregnant at 17?"

My answer to that question: Who cares? I don't care what the media thinks of her daughter being pregnant and I definitely don't care about what an actor/actress thinks. Being talented on stage and screen doesn't mean you're a political whiz.

And yes, I quickly changed the channel.

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#77. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Quote:
QUOTE:



I definitely don't care about what an actor/actress thinks. Being talented on stage and screen doesn't mean you're a political whiz.

And yes, I quickly changed the channel.


Are we talking Paris here?

Of course with the word ''talented' in there,that sorta lets her out

  

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#86. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I think the teaser showed Whoppi Goldberg. So it might have been a cross-promotion thing with The View. (Are those two on the same channel? I'm not sure as I usually don't watch either.) In the end, though, it doesn't matter who they talked to. I don't care what someone who acts for a living thinks about what a politician's 17 year old daughter did. My opinions about Palin will be formed based on her statements, her political history, and the views she holds. Those are the only relevant items in my book.

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#78. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Quote:

But that still doesn't excuse McCain or his people for being so stupid.

Is this the type of leader americans need right now?

Someone who can't even get his VP choice right , without causing a storm of controversy.


What in the world does a pregnant, unmarried (at the moment), 17 year old daughter have to do with her mother being picked as a VP candidate? Nothing, unless a story comes out that proves Palin is somehow unfit because of the situation her daughter is in.

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#79. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Quote:
QUOTE:


What in the world does a pregnant, unmarried (at the moment), 17 year old daughter have to do with her mother being picked as a VP candidate? Nothing, unless a story comes out that proves Palin is somehow unfit because of the situation her daughter is in.


You seem to have missed the point of my post.

  

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nightlyreaderWed Sep-03-08 04:45 AM
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#80. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I have yet to see anything substantial that indicated McCain did not know about the pregnancy. Just speculation and wishful thinking.

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#88. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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What I can't understand is why Palin accepted the VP nomination in the first place. She had to know the scrutiny she would be under by the press, and the affect it would have in her daughter's situation.

Shelly

  

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nightlyreaderWed Sep-03-08 03:06 PM
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#89. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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If we look back over the years at past candidates, I think we will find they all had questions asked of them that touched on personal, if not downright none of our business. I'm sure Palin knew from past history that the media would not be kind and gentle, just because she is a mother.

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#81. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Nothing to clear thinking individuals.

However, some may say that one of the purposes of picking Palin was to attract the far right, religious group that previously were lukewarm to McCain. Having an unwed teenage mother in the picture isn't good.

Supposedly McCain is dumb to pick someone who carries such a scandal.


So far, I disagree with all of that. Palin has energized the McCain campaign. His rallies have almost doubled in size due to Palin. I think it was a wise pick. Another old white guy standing next to McCain would have been a definite fail.

We will know for sure in the next 3 to 4 weeks whether Palin will prove useful.

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#82. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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A scandal?

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#83. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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To the far right religious nuts, I think so. Oh no!! That little girl got pregnant and isn't married!! Sin! Shame!

When I first heard she was pregnant, in less than a second, it was immediately reported that she is getting married soon.


So what if she doesn't get married? She shouldn't. A marriage at 17 is an automatic divorce.

Divorce?! Oh no! Shame!!

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#84. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Then don't let them see this, even if it is fake:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/palin.asp

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#85. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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My perception is that the "religious nuts", as Adam so aptly describes them, who would be concerned with this situation have never accepted Snopes as authoritative in any matter - so why should they now accept anything that Snopes reports as factual.

Jim.

  

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#87. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Tom Brokaw (IIRC) reporting at the convention yesterday called Palin a lit fuse. Either she's going to blow up in McCain's face or she'll help him explode in popularity. Right now it looks like the latter, but it could very easily turn into the former. The next few days should tell. Especially her speech tonight. I didn't think her introduction speech was that good so I'm very interested to see how well she'll speak at the convention tonight.

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#90. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Apparently, the McCain campaign is now insisting that it is time to stop questioning Palin's background:

From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_convention_rdp :

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The campaign also lashed out at the media and called for an end to questions about Palin's background and her family. Senior campaign adviser Steve Schmidt decried what he called a "faux media scandal designed to destroy the first female Republican nominee" for vice president.


As far as I'm concerned, questions about her family aren't relevant. (Unless there was some crime involved and she was a part of it.) I'll agree that there is an unfair media circus generating around this non-issue.

Questions about her background, on the other hand, are completely relevant. Especially if Republicans want to keep touting her history as a reformer (standing up to Big Oil, cleaning house on corrupt officials, what have you). You can't point out the good parts of a candidate's history and then insist that any potentially bad parts are off limits to the press and your opponents. It just doesn't work that way.

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#91. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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"You can't point out the good parts of a candidate's history and then insist that any potentially bad parts are off limits to the press and your opponents."
Can I assume this quote is aimed at the presumptious presidential candidate for the democrat party?
Ever since he entered the race any information his handlers have considered to be negative has been declared to be something that can't be mentioned of discussed.

  

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#92. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I don't remember Obama declaring that his record as Senator or his professional career pre-Senate was off limits for his opponents to criticize. That seems to be what the McCain camp is doing. Saying that no one can question Palin's experience (or lack thereof) anymore while they use her history to show why they think she'd make a good VP.

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#93. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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September 3, 2008, 1:10 pm

McCain-Palin Ticket Isn’t Attracting Clinton Voters, Poll Says

June Kronholz reports from St. Paul, Minn., on the Republican convention.
Wall Street Journal

If Sen. John McCain was hoping to win over disappointed Hillary Clinton supporters with his choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, he figured wrong, according to a Garin-Hart-Yang Research Group poll conducted for Emily’s List.

Just 9% of women who supported Clinton in the primaries say they are more likely to vote for McCain because of his inclusion of Palin on the Republican ticket, according to a poll of 800 women conducted on Aug. 31 and Sept. 1.

A majority —55%–said Palin’s inclusion on the ticket makes them less likely to vote for McCain, who will be nominated at the Republican convention tonight.

The poll has a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points. Emily’s List raises money for Democratic women candidates who support abortion rights; Palin is staunchly against abortion.

According to the poll, 59% of women said they believed McCain chose Palin “out of political considerations” rather than because “he believes his choice has the experience and qualifications.” Some 29% said Democratic nominee Barack Obama made his vice presidential choice, Sen. Joe Biden, for political reasons while 50% said it was because of Biden’s experience and qualifications.

The poll suggests that women support the Democratic ticket by 52% to 41% over the Republicans. That is about three percentage points ahead of Sen. John Kerry’s lead over President George W. Bush among women in 2004, the pollsters said.

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#97. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Just 9% of women who supported Clinton in the primaries say they are more likely to vote for McCain because of his inclusion of Palin on the Republican ticket



Just 9%? The article makes the number sound meager. What were the pundits expecting? All 18 million Hillary voters to be swayed by Palin?

9% is 1,620,000 million democratic voters, that according to the poll, are now voting for McCain due to the inclusion of Palin. That's a huge number that if we use our past 2 elections to compare, could tip the election in McCain's favor.


I'm surprised it's that large, I figured 1% maybe, at most.

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#99. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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I'm awful with numbers, but wasn't it sixteen-million votes that Hillary garnered in the primaries. And if about forty percent of those votes were from the male of the species that would leave nine-million six-hundred-thousand votes to apply the nine-percent toward.

And then there's a strong probability that most of that nine-percent were unfamiliar with Palin's reactionary ideas on the right to abort, the teaching of creationism in public schools, etc., etc.

It's early days for Palin. A poll taken over last Friday and Saturday, when all anyone knew about her was that she was the nice-to-look-at female governor of Alaska, is indicative of nothing.

  

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#101. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Haven't you heard the "18 million cracks in the ceiling" bit? The total came in at over 18 mil.


Yes you are correct, my number is based upon 18 million Hillary voters. As usual, I speed read the article and it is 9% of women Hillary voters not all Hillary voters.


Assuming 60% of her voters were women, it's still 1 million that are switching to McCain.


The number is still ridiculously large and just shows how dumb our electorate is.

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#105. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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The number is still ridiculously large and just shows how dumb our electorate is.


If it shows anything, it shows how pissed off a dwindling hardcore of Hillary supporters are.

I have a feeling that when the rubber hits the road these women will vote their self-interest and the interest of their daughters and granddaughters. McCain and Palin are the cultural antithesis of all that Hillary Clinton stands for.

  

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#94. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Palin a painful VP pick
September 2, 2008
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It looks like John McCain made a hasty choice for vice president. The more we are learning about Sarah Palin, the less attractive she looks.

We've learned that the woman McCain calls a reform-minded Washington outsider supported the construction of Alaska's infamously wasteful "bridge to nowhere." In 2006, Palin campaigned for it. She also sought hundreds of millions of federal dollars for other pork barrel projects.

We've learned that as mayor, Palin raised sales taxes for pet projects. That's not uncommon, but it's not something a conservative reformer does. We've learned she recently hired a private attorney to defend herself in an investigation over whether she abused the power of her office to fire a state police official who refused to dismiss her former brother-in-law from his job as a state trooper. We've learned she is linked to the Alaska Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to be able to vote on whether or not to secede from the United States. We've learned that this so-called family values candidate tried to hide the fact that her teenage daughter is five months pregnant, out of wedlock.

Amid all these disturbing facts, it's easy to forget that she is totally unqualified to for the position that John McCain has given her.

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AllynWed Sep-03-08 10:42 PM
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#98. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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From the Alaska Independence Party website:

"Contrary to initial reports, Now Vice-President candidate Governor Sarah Palin was never a member of our party. We stand corrected. Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in 1994."

I don't think the brouhaha around her daughter is worth considering. Frankly, I cannot imagine running about with a banner stating "My daughter is pregnant out of wedlock" as governor or prior to her candidacy. I find the media fascination with this repulsive.

I am most interested in her pork barrel projects and the real story behind the dismissal of the state police official. Those are worth investigating and may be her undoing. We'll have to see.

  

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#102. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Analysis: GOP contradicts self on Palin family

Sep 3, 7:51 PM (ET)

By TED ANTHONY

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - People: Make up your minds.

For two days, the chorus from Republicans on TV news and in the halls of the convention has been resounding: Back off and let the Palin family be. "That's out of bounds," said Minnesota's Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty. "There's no need to be intrusive and pry into that."

Yet Wednesday found the following scenes unfolding:

_Sarah Palin's pregnant, unmarried 17-year-old daughter and probable future son-in-law stood in a nationally televised, politically packaged airport receiving line to meet and greet the Republican candidate for president.

The extremely cute and bubbly Piper Palin, 7, made her debut on her mother's behalf, appearing in a video on John McCain's daughter's blog. "Vote for my mommy and John McCain," she said, giggling as Meghan McCain grinned.

Bristol Palin and her 18-year-old boyfriend, Levi Johnston, were expected to appear together as part of the GOP political narrative at the convention Wednesday night, according to the young man's mother.

Huh? The Republican message about the Palin offspring comes across as contradictory: Hey, media, leave those kids alone - so we can use them as we see fit.

If you doubt this scenario, consider this: On Wednesday morning, a teenage boy from Alaska stood in a receiving line on an airport tarmac, being glad-handed by the potential next president of the United States - because he got his girlfriend pregnant. TV cameras were lined up in advance. The mind boggles.

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bobwWed Sep-03-08 11:24 PM
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#100. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Indeed a lot of hoopla. Now we have the Southern redneck vote to consider. Democrats that will not vote for a black man regardless of his qualifications.Therefore there will be the stay at home bunch on election day,as they damn sure will not vote Republican ,regardless of the candidates qualifications. As to polls,I would say in this particular election year those being polled are probably being less than honest in their responses,so nothing positive can be derived. My opinion only,I know nussing as to what will actually happen on Nov the 4th 2008. Unlike some here that seem to have all the answers already.

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#103. "RE: McCain's Pick"
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Democrats that will not vote for a black man regardless of his qualifications.Therefore there will be the stay at home bunch on election day,as they damn sure will not vote Republican ,regardless of the candidates qualifications.


What election are you watching? Democrats came out in droves to vote for Obama. Sure some Democrat Clinton voters will vote for McCain out of spite for Hillary not getting the nomination, some will vote for McCain simply because Palin is a woman. The vast majority of Democrats, though, will vote for Obama. I don't see any indication that Democrats will refuse to vote for Obama due to the color of his skin.

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Palin Makes Kids Campaign Fodder
It's a good article by Connie Shultz, Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown's wife.
She has great insight.

  

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You are not from the South. And are not aware of the mindset of many Southerners. Come on down and listen to the talk.

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