Mortally wounded in a hail of bullets, Constable Daniel Woodall lost his life serving the citizens of Edmonton. A migrant from Great Britain, he apparently was well-like and respected. It appears Canada has lost a fine man.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2043607/police-officer-shot-another-injured-in-southwest-edmonton/

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Over+bullets+fired+shooting+that+left+Edmonton+police+officer+dead/11119936/story.html

http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/SuccessStories/LineofDutyDeathUpdate.aspx

http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/Condolences.aspx

Yes, we here in Canada are very aware of what happened to this officer. If the police had access to the gun registry that was trashed by our current government, they may have been made aware of the guns that this idiot had in the house. They were asking the neighbours whether anyone knew of his having access to any guns, but no one was certain. Looks like he killed this officer with something like a 30-06 or thereabouts. That type of rifle is generally used to take down a full grown moose or bear. At close range, I doubt body armour would be sufficient.

Dave

Bullshit. It would be likely that the guns would have shown up on the registry, and that the officer would have approached the residence with that information at hand. I don't know how it works in the good ol' US of A, but this is Canada.

Dave

Then it's the officer training that is faulty. I cannot, and will not accept that sort of action as reasonable. The officers had every opportunity to NOT drive right into the middle of a non-threatening situation and escalate it like they did. If a thousand cops from a thousand precincts did the same thing it would still not be correct.

Dave

Bottom line Dave is a fine officer lost his life due to the actions of an idiot who was hell bent on destroying a human life that day, and it's a damn shame it happened.

Yeah. Dave is a fine police officer. He knows everything. He's so well trained he can teach every cop how to be like him. Smart bastard, Dave is.

He's a fucking know-it-all about every law enforcement job on the planet. Ya know, I'm going to recommend to my local sheriff that Dave teach his department how to properly do their jobs. After all, Dave's a fountain of knowledge.

I bet Dave would take the low pay to show just how smart he is. I mean...there's no one who knows a policeman's job better than Dave.

What are you talking about?

Dave's not a police officer, as far as I know.

Mize's statement might have been clearer to you if he had used the proper punctuation.

What he was saying to Dave (dtellier) is, quote "a fine officer lost his life due to the actions of an idiot who was hell bent on destroying a human life that day".

Jim.

You don't say!

And if you used your common sense, you'd say it too.

Jim.

I was very well aware prior to typing the first letter that Mize may have erred.

I screwed up....sorry

Don't be. That was fun and Dave and James deserve it. Those brilliant strategists and law-enforcement experts need to be recognized for their great contributions and putting themselves at risk in dangerous situations. I'm sure they will continue to share their great knowledge and teach law enforcement professionals worldwide how to do their jobs.

We are so lucky to have them!

Frankly, I no longer give a shit what you think about anything I post.

While we have some bad-apple cops, not every case of white cop on black perp is what you portray. Your anti-U.S. and anti-cop rhetoric (from you, James and PaulD) is tiresome and not appreciated. You have never policed streets or dealt with difficult life-threatening situations on a daily basis. YOU THREE ARE NOT EXPERTS ON U.S. LAW ENFORCEMENT!

I will apologize for jacking this topic. The remainder stands.

Feel free to have the last word.

While not taking sides neither are you but you have an opinion along with Dave and James.Opposing viewpoints but neither from a law enforcement background so I don't get you using that as reason to dismiss their viewpoint.Using that as baseline yours is no more valid then theirs.

I have one law enforcement professional in my family. He's a retired captain with field, security, administrative and extensive investigative experience. A member of this forum only by registration, he finds the PCQ&A O/T Lounge despicable primarily because of clueless Canadians. That's about as mildly as I can put it.

My ex-wife's son-in-law is a metropolitan Atlanta police lieutenant. His son (my ex's grandson who I watched grow up during his teen years) is a former metro-Atlanta police officer.

To the best of my knowledge, none have had to fire their weapons in a threatening situation.

Far from being an expert, I've consulted with them and have some insight into what they have dealt with over the years.

Go ahead and use the words, James. Go with it. I'm sure your mother and her men taught you well.

This forum had ample support years ago when it was more costly. If it were not for Jason's cost-cutting research and actions, it would have been gone long ago. Look no further than a mirror for the primary cause of the loss of support.

It's a one-sided affair. We stay out of Canadian and Australian issues. We don't criticize others here because foreign internal issues are unique to you and we don't need to be concerned with how you handle/mishandle yours.

In contrast, you and others post about the U.S. and criticize our constitution, our firearms laws and internal police issues while whitewashing African-Americans out for blood.

My mother taught me many words, she taught me to read long before I first darkened a school house door, and the one man -- who always wore his big boy pants -- she had throughout the thirty-fives years they were married, taught me how to recognize a slimy toad when I encountered one.

Bravo!

Well...you're right. I really don't have a passion for your internal issues. Frankly, I was surprised to read about relatively recent mistreatment of Aboriginals, somewhat analogous to the U.S. and indigenous American Indians. But it appears that issue is being addressed by your administration.

Regarding world affairs, you are correct. I realized after writing that world affairs was not in the scope of what I tried to communicate. My error.

A poll isn't necessary. You're not going anywhere.

OK. Now, maybe we can shake virtual hands and agree in future to leave our mothers out of it, no matter how hot under the collar we become.

Works for me!

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Since we're so out of control, stay on your side of the border where you can be safe. I encourage you to tell your countrymen the same.

And what are you going to tell the rest of us - you know, your own countrymen? That we can emigrate if we want to feel safe and be safe?

Just because you've grown accustomed to and comfortable with the status quo doesn't mean that guns and their near frivolous usage aren't out of control. I suppose you think that a few thousand gun deaths yearly is OK as long as you maintain your right to keep and bear arms?

Any rational person, be they conservative, liberal, or anywhere else in the political spectrum, realizes the gun situation is out of control and wants to do something about it.

Gun advocates would certainly be well advised to tone down their rhetoric and support some registration and gun limiting laws lest they lose political support and come under truly draconian gun restrictions.

Jim.

You've missed it, Jim. I'm not a gun advocate and I dislike the NRA and the right wing gun-toting open-carry extremists. It's that I don't appreciate the incessant whining from the north about how poor baby Dave just can't understand why we think we have a right to own weapons. We don't want to throw away the Second Amendment.

Sport, hunting, self-defense. Those are interests of millions of men and women and young adults worldwide. Good old liberal Dave would have us give up every bit of it based upon his long-running, dreary wail.

I've been in favor of gun control 100% since Gabby Giffords was shot. We do need background checks at open market gun shows and likely a future registry.

As for the relatively few "wild west" police problems in the U.S., that will solve itself. But it's going to take a while. And admittedly, things may get worse if racial tensions don't subside. Frankly, that's one area where I'm not optimistic.

We can live with it here. Meanwhile, Tellier is most safe in picturesque Manitoba.

When you resort to petty, personal attacks you really show your true colours. I am not impressed but, then again, I doubt that was your intent. In any case, prepare for more posts whenever a serious incident happens, whether or not it touches a nerve in your most sensitive areas. I won't be silenced by you, or anyone else. I don't post personal attacks, and I don't take on personal agendas. The issues I report on are obvious and serious issues, whether you see it that way or not. I am not alone with these sentiments.

Oh, by the way, we have gun controls in Canada, and I've yet to see anyone's ability to own a weapon taken away as a result. You really need to stop being so afraid of nothing.

Dave

I'm not afraid of anything from government. You leave the constitution alone and you'll have plenty of constructive dialogue on gun control.

I don't care whether you're impressed positively or negatively by anything I write. You're still an asshole.

Enjoy!

Last I looked (this morning) my weenie is just fine without any type of extension attached

As far as confiscation just look at what happened in the UK and in Australia. Go back in history and see what Hitler, Pol Pot and many others did to take away a person's right to defend themselves. It all started with Government mandated registration of firearms.

That is one thing I will never do in my lifetime

In order for your federal government to deprive you of the right to own firearms, they would first have to repeal the second amendment to your constitution.

And you know damned well the impossible hoops a government intent on doing that would have to jump through.

There is no danger that a gun registry in your country, with that safeguard in place, would lead to the banning and confiscation of your legally owned firearms.

Mind you, if your president was to burn down Congress and hang the blame on the National Rifle Association and the nutty militia folk who spend weekends in the forest, then declare a state of emergency and single-handedly repeal your entire constitution, then set himself up as Brutal Supreme Bat-Shit-Crazy Ruler in Chief, you may be in a spot of trouble.

But, in any case, since you intend to hang on to your peashooter onto your dying breath, you should be alright. All you'll have to do is go to the light.

James!!! I certainly didn't expect such a flagrant abuse of the rules of spelling coming from you. The phrase 'by into it' is not your usual standard of excellence.

Dave

My proof reader didn't catch it. I'll make out his pink slip.

Pure justifying liberal bullshit!

I'll get back with you liberal stooges later today...

Something to look forward to.

Citizens! To the barricades!

Please see my reply in post number 8 and replace the name Dave with James

Don't you f'n dare compare England and Australia with Hitler and Pol Pot. And don't offer as evidence of "what happened in Australia" the lies peddled by the NRA and their cronies in the USA. What actually happened in Australia is an absolute absence of mass shootings since controls were strengthened and a considerable reduction in gun crime in general and particularly shootings not related to gang activity.

What happened in Australia and the UK is you lost a freedom.....and that should never happen in any country.

...and you actually think that USA citizens have a snowball's chance in hell against the USA military, if need be. Give it a break!

Dave

There's nobody I know that's against the military.

Nor I.

If it came to a major insurrection, I suspect our military would be on the side of the just!

I agree.

Your apolitical military that would then voluntarily hand the order they'd established over to the Just. I wonder which of dozens of competing factions they would decide the Just to be, and which of these altruistic, selfless general officers would be in an ascendant enough position to effectively cede power to them and their leader -- who's first order of business, I'm sure, would be to reestablish the second amendment to your constitution.

Maybe you could resurrect George Washington. But Washington has had his shot -- like Dostoyevsky's Christ in The Grand Inquisitor returning to condemn the evils of the Spanish Inquisition, who finds himself arrested and in prison where he is informed by Torquemada that Christ himself had passed the decision-making torch to him and his priests and so had no right to return to reclaim it.

And how does all this play into whether or not a gun registry would be a beneficial thing or how Mise's peashooter would play a decisive role in preserving his right to own one? Or indeed preserving his paranoid life?

Wasn't that what we were discussing?

Anyhow, if it were up to me I would hand power over to The Hell's Angels. They are organized nationally, have solid international connections with the drug cartels, are well funded and well armed and proved themselves, at that Rolling Stones concert, well able to keep the peace.

I should write a book.

It was what we were discussing until Dave brought up the question about our right to firearms, IE., our Second Amendment.

You grow up, asshole.

You have lurched so far to the extreme right in recent months that Mize is beginning to look middle-of-the-road.

Not to mention a complete absence of the civility that was once a feature of your posts.

Nah. I just got tired of the constant anti-U.S crap in this forum.

It doesn't matter. It's gone on for years. Time to go.

You mean the freedom to be randomly gunned down in the street while out for your morning jog? The freedom to be a mass shooting victim in a church, a cinema or a shopping centre?

I'll cope without that particular freedom, thanks.

We'll take the risk.

Sorry about your countryman but there's no reason to disparage or dismantle our Second Amendment over it or any other case. The sickos who did it would have found a way to kill for thrill, guns or not.

If our right to own firearms is so distasteful or abhorrent to you or any other foreign interests, I advise staying in your own countries. Consider telling your countrymen to avoid visiting the U.S.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/charleston-mass-shooting-gunman-at-large-after-killing-nine-at-black-south-carolina-church-20150618-ghr4ms.html?eid=email:nnn-13omn633-ret_newsl-membereng:nnn-04/11/2013-news_pm-dom-news-nnn-btimes-u&campaign_code=13INO004&promote_channel=edmail&mbnr=MjI4ODY2MQ

"We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that, once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun.

"Now is the time for mourning and for healing. But let’s be clear:
At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it."

- President Obama

You still don't understand that any mental midget hell bent on destroying lives will do it by ANY means possible.

From what I've been reading this young man had mental problems long before this happened and the parents probably chose to ignore it.

From an interview with ABC News.....

"Roommate Dalton Tyler told ABC News that Roof was “planning something like that for six months.”

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler said. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

As far as I'm concerned the roommate is just as guilty as the young man who did it for not reporting it to authorities.

I'll admit there are problems in this country and all over the world, but to have people, especially foreigners, say firearms legally owned by law abiding citizens need to go really pisses me off.

Everything that will follow this incident will be nothing but a knee jerk reaction by groups hell bent on disarming American citizens "for our own good."

BULLSHIT!

You're right. I don't understand it.

Because the facts simply scream otherwise. And by facts I don't mean the BULLSHIT peddled by the NRMA. The M is not a typo, because that organisation should properly be called the National Rifle Manufacturers Association.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where anyone has mentioned the confiscation of legally-owned guns from law abiding citizens.

Dave

Edit: I will, however, state that if someone like this individual can readily acquire a gun legally, then maybe the criteria for legal ownership is too lax.

He, in a feeble attempt to justify his viewpoint, did in his post #4 above.

The fact he had gun that was given to him as a birthday gift from his Dad should tell you it's too lax if that was legal because it sure isn't here.

Ok on further details emerge he got birthday money from his family and that he himself bought the gun.He has a minor criminal record so I'm not sure what bearing that has on being able to obtain a handgun.

No, it's the country YOU live in.

Sensible post. Thanks.

Dave

And so are you. You can put your guns away now.

Dave

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Sanity shows signs of life, especially among America's young. Maybe there's yet reason to hope it will prevail.

"The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture.

"The gun ownership rate has fallen across a broad cross section of households since the early 1970s, according to data from the General Social Survey, a public opinion survey conducted every two years that asks a sample of American adults if they have guns at home, among other questions.

"The rate has dropped in cities large and small, in suburbs and rural areas and in all regions of the country. It has fallen among households with children, and among those without. It has declined for households that say they are very happy, and for those that say they are not. It is down among churchgoers and those who never sit in pews.


"The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times.

"The geographic patterns were some of the most surprising in the General Social Survey, researchers said. Gun ownership in both the South and the mountain region, which includes states like Montana, New Mexico and Wyoming, dropped to less than 40 percent of households this decade, down from 65 percent in the 1970s. The Northeast, where the household ownership rate is lowest, changed the least, at 22 percent this decade, compared with 29 percent in the 1970s.

"Age groups presented another twist. While household ownership of guns among elderly Americans remained virtually unchanged from the 1970s to this decade at about 43 percent, ownership among young Americans plummeted. Household gun ownership among Americans under the age of 30 fell to 23 percent this decade from 47 percent in the 1970s. The survey showed a similar decline for Americans ages 30 to 44."

From an article in The New York Times.