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EdGreeneWed Mar-26-03 08:43 PM
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"Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"


          

Afghanistan's fierce fighters, the same Muslims who defeated the Russinas in Afghanistan, are on the move, many already in Iraq, and more planning on joining the fight against Saddam, then take on we Americans when Saddam is defeated.

It now appears that "Junior", that wimp-butt,draft-dodging son-of-a-Bush has finally bitten off more than he (or we Americans) can (or want to) chew.

Ed
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GreyFalconWed Mar-26-03 08:58 PM
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#1. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 0)


          

What hole did you crawl out of EdGreene?

  

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dbahnWed Mar-26-03 09:01 PM
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#2. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to GreyFalcon (Reply # 1)


  

          

What hole did you crawl out of EdGreene?

...and what is it that you do want to chew?

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GreyFalconWed Mar-26-03 09:08 PM
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#3. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to dbahn (Reply # 2)
Wed Mar-26-03 09:21 PM

          

Oh, and in case you didn't get it EdGreene, I meant that as an insult. If you meant it as a bad joke, I'll accept your apologies.

  

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MadDadWed Mar-26-03 09:41 PM
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#4. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Knowing Ed, he was dead serious

  

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EdGreeneThu Mar-27-03 11:21 AM
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#25. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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> Oh, and in case you didn't get it EdGreene, I meant that as
>an insult. If you meant it as a bad joke, I'll accept your
>apologies.
_____________________________________________
You Bushites just won't believe anything until it bites you in the ass. We're in for months of combat, hundreds, maybe thousands of deaths and years of occupation because Junior and his stupid advisors thought they could commit a "lighting" war and just pull out. This is different from what his Dad did.
Anyone who knows anything (Al?) about grond combat knows (knew) we needed two more Heavy Infantry divisions, at least two or more Air Cavalry Regiments and more artillery to do the job right.
Right now, we've got the Third Mech and support troops strung out along 175 miles of road, the Marines up to their ass-cheeks in Arabs while you "super patriots" are attacking me, as if I had something to do with it.

While you Bushites vent your spleens on me, the war is going badly, no matter what spin Bush or you put on it. Even worse, you guys believe that silly little draft-dodging twerp and the BS coming out of the Pentagon.

Ed
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AlThu Mar-27-03 11:50 AM
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#33. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 25)


  

          

And here we go, not only is Ed proving to us he can't read a map, he figures he's a better General than the ones who are serving.

LMAO


Ed, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.



  

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AlWed Mar-26-03 10:13 PM
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#5. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 0)


  

          

So, tell me Ed, how exactly are those fighters moving down there?



Through Iran? Or through Turkey?

LMAO

Ed, you're an idiot.



  

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JPThu Mar-27-03 02:02 AM
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#10. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to Al (Reply # 5)


          

Nice web site Al, I bookmarked it. Lot's of interesting maps to say the least.

And, to answer your question, I think they are taking the night camel convoy to get there. Maybe.

JP

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EdGreeneThu Mar-27-03 11:07 AM
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#23. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to Al (Reply # 5)


          

>So, tell me Ed, how exactly are those fighters moving down
>there?
>
>
>
>Through Iran? Or through Turkey?
>
>LMAO
>
>Ed, you're an idiot.
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Let's see Al: would you believe 737, 747, 757, 767; L-1011? Surely you don't think I mean they were all walking or riding camels...or did you?

Who's the flippin' idiot now, Al?

Ed
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martiThu Mar-27-03 11:16 AM
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#24. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>Let's see Al: would you believe 737, 747, 757, 767; L-1011?
>Surely you don't think I mean they were all walking or
>riding camels...or did you?
>
>Who's the flippin' idiot now, Al?
>
>Ed


Ed,

You are a total idiot. You quoted Al, but didn't bother to edit out the link to the map. Now you have f**ked up the display for this thread.

I'm still waiting for your authoritative link to document your statement...

marti

  

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EdGreeneThu Mar-27-03 11:28 AM
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#28. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to marti (Reply # 24)


          

>>Let's see Al: would you believe 737, 747, 757, 767; L-1011?
>>Surely you don't think I mean they were all walking or
>>riding camels...or did you?
>>
>>Who's the flippin' idiot now, Al?
>>
>>Ed
>
>
>Ed,
>
>You are a total idiot. You quoted Al, but didn't bother to
>edit out the link to the map. Now you have f**ked up the
>display for this thread.
>
>I'm still waiting for your authoritative link to document
>your statement...
_________________________________________
Google

Ed
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martiThu Mar-27-03 11:34 AM
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#29. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 28)


  

          

>Google


Link please. I have already looked in Google -- both search and news. Can't find anything close to what you said.

marti

  

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AlThu Mar-27-03 11:46 AM
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#32. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 23)


  

          

You want to tell me where they're going to land?

Maybe you haven't noticed, but the coalition controls the skies. Civilian air traffic is halted.

Now, who is it that looks like an idiot?



  

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YarddaawgWed Mar-26-03 10:59 PM
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#6. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 0)


          

A laugh a day keeps the Dr. away. Thank you, Ed, for providing one today.

Yarddaawg

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and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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#7. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Didn't work, I'm still here. Nice map, Al.

  

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SmokeWed Mar-26-03 11:03 PM
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#8. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 0)


  

          

Just looked at EdGreen's profile an he's listed as normal.

Incorrect info on this forum is usally corrected....



  

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#9. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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It's scary to think that if Ed's claims are true that he was either teaching people to be soldiers or watching someone's back, or both.

"OH MY GOD! They're shooting REAL bullets!!!!!"

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EdGreeneThu Mar-27-03 11:27 AM
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#27. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to Myk (Reply # 9)


          

>It's scary to think that if Ed's claims are true that he was
>either teaching people to be soldiers or watching someone's
>back, or both.
>
>"OH MY GOD! They're shooting REAL bullets!!!!!"
__________________________________________
I've done my time. How about you? And if so, any ground combat? Keep your snideness to yourself.

Ed
YAHOO-DSL!

  

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tpikdaveSat Mar-29-03 11:33 PM
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#64. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 27)


          

Yeah, I'll bet! I have met so many of you phony vets it makes me want to puke. Stick some more of that stuff up your nose and go troll some kidie site.

  

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#11. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 0)


  

          

>Afghanistan's fierce fighters, the same Muslims who defeated
>the Russinas in Afghanistan, are on the move, many already
>in Iraq, and more planning on joining the fight against
>Saddam, then take on we Americans when Saddam is defeated.
>
>It now appears that "Junior", that wimp-butt,draft-dodging
>son-of-a-Bush has finally bitten off more than he (or we
>Americans) can (or want to) chew.
>
>Ed
>YAHOO-DSL!
>

Seems you and Observer are in a contest for biggest moron, congratulations you're winning.

Shelly

  

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#12. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to Shelly (Reply # 11)
Thu Mar-27-03 03:29 AM

          

You forgot suse2.

Edit

And ylen13.

Yarddaawg

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and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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#13. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to Yarddaawg (Reply # 12)


          

What's the prize?

  

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#14. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Killing this messenger won't change the message. The gross inability of people to focus on the topic(s) posted (like here) instead of gratuitously attacking others, as you did is an idication of how and why things are misunderstood.

Ed, the one who spent 13 months, (and a lifetime) as a grunt in Vietnam, a man who fears for our GIs like none of you who have never "been there, done that.” Neither my patriotism nor politics are the issues here. Nor is what any one of you think of me. Deal with the news, find out for yourself if what I posted is true or not. After all, you too have Google or whatever other means you use to find out.

Shelly, I served as a 106mm Recoilless Rifle gunner, earned the Bronze Star and Purple Heart w/oak leaf cluster. That puts me at the forefront of those who have the blasted /RIGHT/ to comment on this war, and any damn way I damn well please. You or anyone else questioning either my patriotism or my motives must have questions about your own.

I posted that news to inform, not to be castigated by the likes of you, a man whose reason for being seems to be this forum.

As I noted above, an attempt to slur me by you or others won't change the news I posted. Deal with the post, not me. Don't impugn my motives because you failed to investigate the news, choosing instead address your always acerbic words toward me.

Try, try from this point on Shelly, to address the message, not the messenger. It's the adult<[/I>, intelligent thing to do.

  

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#15. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 14)


  

          

Where is your source for that story? Don't you think it odd that you are the only one that heard (or read) that information?

marti

  

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#17. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 14)


  

          

My post did not question your politics or your patriotism. It seriously questions your intelligence and judgment. your military record has no impact on the fact that you are an ass.

Shelly

  

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#26. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to Shelly (Reply # 17)


          

>My post did not question your politics or your patriotism.
>It seriously questions your intelligence and judgment. your
>military record has no impact on the fact that you are an
>ass.
_________________________________________
Your contempt won't change the facts. Bush screwed up and nothing you say to or about me will change that.

I get it done with YAHOO-DSL!

  

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#18. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 14)


          

Ed lots of us served in Vietnam, you are not unique, but unless you were shot in the head there is no excuse for what you posted. I suspect a lot of that comes from a bottle. For one that has served in Vietnam and has a son presently serving in this conflict, your post disgusts me. I think you were wounded more deeply than you know.

  

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#31. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to GreyFalcon (Reply # 18)


          

> Ed lots of us served in Vietnam, you are not unique, but
>unless you were shot in the head there is no excuse for what
>you posted. I suspect a lot of that comes from a bottle. For
>one that has served in Vietnam and has a son presently
>serving in this conflict, your post disgusts me. I think you
>were wounded more deeply than you know.
________________________________________________
Actually, I noted part of my military record so all you flag waving, super-patriots would know that there are some who served who knew from the jump that this was wrong. And if not "Wrong", ill-considered with bad timing.
Anyone who had even a lick of knowledge about that region (Iraq) and their "Khamsins" (Khamsin: "Winds of the fifty days"), (How about you Al, Shelly, did either of you know about the (Khamsin?) would have known about the weather. But that little son-of-a-Bush wanted war and now we have it.
Had he listened to his military advisors instead of a white house filled with boot licking lackeys currying favors, he would have extended the bombing (just like Daddy dear), giving himself time to position more forces (including the 4th Infantry (Heavy) Division) and another Cavalry Brigade on the ground. No, he chose to rush to war. Now we'll all reap what he so hastily has sown.

Regular Army Ed
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#34. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 31)


  

          

Khamsins usually effect places like Egypt and sub-tropical Africa, mostly because the barreness of Sudan and the slow migration of the north African desert to the south. Within about 100 miles of Baghdad the problem is much less severe, since southwest of the city there is a large lake (forget the name) that absorbs quite a bit of the sand and force of the wind, at least what is left of it. Once past Al Kufah it will be a non-issue.

  

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#38. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to doctormidnight (Reply # 34)


          

>Khamsins usually effect places like Egypt and sub-tropical
>Africa, mostly because the barreness of Sudan and the slow
>migration of the north African desert to the south. Within
>about 100 miles of Baghdad the problem is much less severe,
>since southwest of the city there is a large lake (forget
>the name) that absorbs quite a bit of the sand and force of
>the wind, at least what is left of it. Once past Al Kufah it
>will be a non-issue.
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Your words: "Within about 100 miles of Baghdad the problem is much less severe,"

"Much less severe" did not stop them from bringing our attack to grinding halt, lake or not. You had better try that story on the very Khamsins that just slowed us down for two days.

  

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#41. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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What grinding halt are you talking about? The only "delay" I have seen is because of fuel issues, but thats because our boys are moving damn fast..

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/26/sprj.irq.us.supply/index.html

  

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AlThu Mar-27-03 12:01 PM
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#35. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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You realize that sandstorms favor those attacking, don't you, Ed?




  

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#39. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>You realize that sandstorms favor those attacking, don't
>you, Ed?
______________________________________
And your point was? It seems we stopped our attack so the theory falls by its own weight this time.

Ed
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#42. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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?

What kind of drugs are you on?



  

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tpikdaveSat Mar-29-03 11:36 PM
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#65. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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You can note all you want, I still think you are a phony. I wonder who it is that you know, that is the real vet?

  

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#20. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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You are a shame to Vets, and especially to this one.

  

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#36. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>You are a shame to Vets, and especially to this one.
____________________________________________
Why, because I'm not butt-licking Junior, like you?
The shame is you butt-kissing patriots can't see what is happening because your nose is so far up Junior's butt you're blinded by blind loyalty to a failed president.

Ed
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#37. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 36)


  

          

Ah, the rantings of a man obsessed with butts. Your case is much stronger now!

  

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AlThu Mar-27-03 07:45 AM
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#22. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Ed,

So, having done all that for your country, did they teach you to read a map?



  

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#16. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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A virtual plaque.

Shelly

  

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#19. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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"I posted that news to inform, not to be castigated."

"It now appears that "Junior", that wimp-butt,draft-dodging son-of-a-Bush has finally bitten off more than he (or we Americans) can (or want to) chew."

Inform?????????????

Dave



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#21. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Ed, I can more or less sympathize with your views, I, too am a veteran. But right or wrong, this is MY country, and right or wrong, George W. is OUR president. Surely, your military training taught you not to question the orders of your superiors but to execute those orders to the best of your ability. "Ours is not to reason why,.., etc. " I, too, had misgivings about going into this conflict, but now that we're here, let's do what we came here to do. Now is too late to reflect on the state of our own conscious. Let's do what needs to be done and what should have been done twelve years ago. Let's not leave this for our children to have to do tomorrow.

ChurchLady

  

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Paul DThu Mar-27-03 11:34 AM
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#30. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to wdjones22 (Reply # 21)
Thu Mar-27-03 11:36 AM

  

          

"Surely, your military training taught you not to question the orders of your superiors but to execute those orders to the best of your ability"

I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of Ed's post, except to say that some of the language is a bit strong. It's his opinion and he's entitled to it. However, your post is a different matter.
1. I doubt if GWB has issued any orders to Ed in the first place.
2. What you say was true while Ed was a serving soldier. (and even there I believe there may be limited circumstances where it is not true. There certainly are in the Australian Army, but you'd better be prepared to justify your actions). Now it is his democratic right to question any politician he chooses. Or have I misunderstood democracy completely?
3. Or does military service remove your right to think for yourself. I think Al gives the lie to that.




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#40. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to wdjones22 (Reply # 21)


          

>Ed, I can more or less sympathize with your views, I, too am
>a veteran. But right or wrong, this is MY country, and right
>or wrong, George W. is OUR president. Surely, your military
>training taught you not to question the orders of your
>superiors but to execute those orders to the best of your
>ability. "Ours is not to reason why,.., etc. " I, too, had
>misgivings about going into this conflict, but now that
>we're here, let's do what we came here to do. Now is too
>late to reflect on the state of our own conscious. Let's do
>what needs to be done and what should have been done twelve
>years ago. Let's not leave this for our children to have to
>do tomorrow.
______________________________________________
And my service and birth here doesn't make it "MY" country too? For your information, my training also taught me to obey only lawful orders, and to question those which were immoral or unethical.

I'm not, no matter what you think, against this war. WE could have kicked Saddam's butt any time we wanted. I am opposed to the way the war was forced on us. I am opposed to the dirty politics of it. I am opposed to the lives that will be lost.
What do you suppose we (America) will do after we pull out and Iraq descends into civil war, with at least four factions vieing for leadership? Do you think the Baathist Party (or their succesors) won't prevail? What makes you or anyone think the next guy(s) won't be as bad? How do you impose our form of governemnt on a people who are not going to accept it-shoot them?
And what do you and the others think about the humanitarian disaster we're helping to breed?
How long are we going to have to garrison Iraq after the war... 2, 3, 5, years... and who is going to pay for it... and how much? I foresee us being tied down in Iraq for a long time, just like the Russians were in Afghanistan. I also see us slinking out of Iraq like we did Vietnam. Who needs that?
(Do you not think it strange we could not wait until Spetember or October?
Why this "rush to war"?

The 2004 Prsidential elections that's why.

Ed
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AlThu Mar-27-03 01:11 PM
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#43. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
In response to EdGreene (Reply # 40)


  

          

So wonderful to see someone who is so absolutely sure that his intelligence sources are better than those of the President of the United States.

Ed, why don't you run for President? You obviously know what is good for everyone else.



  

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#44. "Look at this Ed"
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>has finally bitten off more than he (or we Americans) can (or want to) chew.


Ed, you are entitled to your opinion certainly, but you make one fatal mistake. When you use "he", "We Americans", "can", "or want", you are including everyone in this Country and it's capabilities and will into your post and opinion. DON'T EVER SPEEK FOR ME! I wouldn't have bothered to respond to your post except you chose to represent me, and you represent no one except yourself.

  

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#45. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>Afghanistan's fierce fighters, the same Muslims who defeated
>the Russinas in Afghanistan, are on the move, many already
>in Iraq,

Ed,

This has turned into a long thread. But I'm still waiting for you to post the source for your claim. Or maybe there isn't one.

Louis

  

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#46. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Maybe we should fire up the old "special forum" again...


  

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#48. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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...you need to add another one:

The "sorry, I was only kidding/upset/sulking/trying to get sympathy" Forum.

... and charge a $100 re-admission fee!

  

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#50. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Close enough..


  

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Carl DFri Mar-28-03 06:12 AM
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#51. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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*LOL* great work DM, I'm saving these by the way...

  

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martiFri Mar-28-03 06:21 AM
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#52. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>*LOL* great work DM, I'm saving these by the way...

Love them. I'm also saving them.

marti

  

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Carl DFri Mar-28-03 06:34 AM
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#54. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Hi Marti, good to see you posting in the OT Lounge the past couple of days.

  

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AlFri Mar-28-03 07:27 AM
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#55. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Maybe just make this certain people's signature...



  

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#56. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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LOL, thats great!

  

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#49. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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LOL @ "special forum"

There is a back door unlocked also.... I have used it!

It seems that no matter how heated things get here...it appears no one gets banned ???

It is left to the individuals to become agitated enough to depart .... "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" philosophy. Those more passionate or sensitive will be more volatile.

This is admirable that the moderators have such a high level of tolerance and patience....at least as far as blocking anyone goes, and it's the users that end up censoring and banning themselves voluntarily .... some with a bang and some with a whimper. The dynamics here are sometimes at flashpoint and no one ever likes to admit they are wrong. Strong diametrically opposed opinions are expressed here and defended to the bitter end.

This is how it should be. This forum gives us all freedoms and responsibilities and we enjoy those because of the mature and tolerant nature of the mods. Like parents, letting their children make mistakes, get hurt, experience life without overprotection or rigidity, and facing the consequences of their actions.

Nice going. My apologies for spamming.


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#77. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>It seems that no matter how heated things get here...it
>appears no one gets banned ???

It takes quite a bit to be banned. Simply stating your opinion won't do it (no matter how much it deviates from "the norm"). The occasional trolls and spammers are the only ones that get banned from the outset.

>Nice going. My apologies for spamming.

Thanks. Wait, did you say spamming?

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#78. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>It takes quite a bit to be banned. Simply stating your
>opinion won't do it (no matter how much it deviates from
>"the norm"). The occasional trolls and spammers are the
>only ones that get banned from the outset.

And we even have a "special forum" for them as well...

LOL, just kidding, I'll get banned myself if I keep this up.

  

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#47. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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I heard the very same arguments when we went to Afganistan. Didn't hold water then nor now. We didn't go to Afganistan simply to occupy it nor are we going to Iraq simply to occupy.
America, unlike the former Soviet union is NOT an empire and we do NOT invade except for the express purpose of liberation.
We either fight terror on it's soil or we fight it on ours. I think President George Bush has chosen well.
God bless our troops.
Mike.

  

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#53. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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From my earlier posts you may recall that I was uncomfortable that we had engaged Iraq with questionable information. However, we are now engaged and that is reality. Ed, your opinion of the strategy employed by Bush and his advisers is interesting, but may not incorporate a full understanding of the overall mission and/or targets/resources.

I continue to support our right to free speech, but I wish an educated/enlightened approach had been required.






  

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#57. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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It does not make any difference or what I know (or not). We're being dragged into another ground war that will suck the very marrow of America’s resources. 100,000 more troops today, another 50 to 75 thousand in three months… where will it end? We have, and will in the next months, and for all intents and purposes, stripped America nearly bare of her regular fighting forces. Europe has and wil be denuded of fighting troops.

We will lose more on the diplomatic and military front, having proved once and for all that we are the world’s bullies who are once again, going to get our balls handed to us in a bloody bucket. Our cities ahve been stripped of people vital to their own defense, our Natioanal Guard and Reserves, who are the back bone of our skies, are gone, off in Iraq and other places. "Homeland Defense"? How, with the defenders off fighting in Iraq.


When the rhetoric is all over, the truth is we're in a pickle because of Junior's need for revenge. He and his advisors misread the Iraqi people, thinking that our incursion (if not invasion), would spur the Iraqi people to revolt against Saddam. It has not worked out that way. What ahs happened instead is the people are taking our gifts of food and water during the day, then fighting us at night. Sound Familiar?
It does not matter where and how or how many Mudjahdeen enter and fight. It does not matter how many Iraqi return and fight. But it should. There is a steady stream of Muslims from around the world going into Iraq for that express purpose.
Pat Robertson said this war might be an overview (precursor) of Armageddon. I don’t think so, but bombs have not deterred them, the 3rd Mech has only slowed them, the Marines are getting their noses bloodied and all in all, it does not go well for us.

I have every confidence as a former grunt (Sgt. E-6) that we will prevail militarily, but at what cost? What and how much are we really willing to pay? How many lives?
Patriotism won’t stop the bleeding, nor will patriotism restore our honor in the world.

This was, and is, a blunder of the first order. But now, committed to war and the eradication of Saddam and his regime, Junior and his stupid advisors have led us to this.

What friends will we have when this is over? What influence will we have in Europe? Asia? When this is over, we will have to either make amends or continue in our xenophobic, arrogant way.
Or maybe the next time, it will be our borders where the Mujahadeen cross.





Ed
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AlSat Mar-29-03 12:22 PM
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#58. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Ed, you are completely and totally clueless.



  

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#59. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>Ed, you are completely and totally clueless.
__________________________________
Why, because I don't agree with your views? Whatever happens, you and others will "spin" it to make Junior and yourselves look good. The war will be won, but at what cost? Will you mourn the hundreds, maybe thousands of troopers who died unnecessarily because Junior could not wait?
Had he gone in September or October, some of what is about to happen-wouldn't have. Had he waited to move the 4th into the western desert of Kuwait, we would not have much of the problems we'll have and having now.
You don't have to be a General or field grade officer to see what was happening. We, (and I assume you finished more than one NCO Academy course), were taught small units tactics, but were also taught to see the larger picture.
Any serious student of war would have immediately seen the problems we now face: overextended supply lines, broken communications, lack of fuel-etc.
While Bush and his political minions talk a good fight, you and I both know that without the 4th Mech and another Cavalry Brigade, we're going to have to slug it out to get into Baghdad. The 3rd Mech, having been blooded, may know more abut how to fight this, but their knowledge is singular. The 4th will have to learn on the job.
Junior was plumb stupid to think the Turks would let us in. Even after he knew the 4th could not get in, he insisted on jumping off, causing the situation we're in now.
The larger question is: how could Bush-Cheny-all of them, be so wrong about what might happen? How and why did they not foresee that after being betrayed in 2001, that the Shi'a Muslims would not feel, if not outright antipathy, then a seething resentment against us?
How could anyone not realize that while you might chase someone out of another country, you'll catch hell chasing him off or beating him on his own?
How in the hell do you suppose they overlooked that?
What would you, a senior NCO, have been feeling if you were in the 3rd Mech, knowing what you already knew about Rommel and how he had his ass handed to him in the desert because his supply lines were stretched to the breaking point?
You see, we're watching the same war, but your take is purely political, while I am concerned for the grunts. They didn't need or deserve to get flipped and f*****d around just because Junior wanted to be in Baghdad by Easter.
Now, the end-game picture can only be seen through a dark glass: Turks coming in in the north, Israel itching to get in anyway they can, our forces, literally at the doorstep of Baghdad, having to wait on gas and MREs while fighting off Arabs charging Bradleys and Abrams tanks with pick-up trucks.

Is Junior going to wait until the 4th can deploy (about 30 days by best estimates) or is he going to jump off now? Is he going to reinforce the Marines? All those questions must be answered while we are in this pause. I know if I were still leading a fire team or squad I'd want to know.

Lastly, Junior could have waited. But no, starting or fighting a war in the fall would interfere with his fall reelection plans and so it had to be now.
So be it and damn him anyway.

Ed
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#60. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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So glad to hear that you have access to the same intelligence that the President does. And that you are an expert on logistics and logistical planning.

"Amatuers study tactics, professionals study logistics"

You've amply illustrated which you are.



  

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#61. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Oh, about casualties and fear...

XXXXX

Men, this stuff we hear about America wanting to stay out of the war, not wanting to fight, is a lot of bullshit. Americans love to fight - traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the big-league ballplayers, the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win - all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost, nor ever will lose, a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to an American.

You are not all going to die. Only 2 percent of you here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Every man is frightened at first in battle. If he says he isn't, he's a goddamn liar. Some men are cowards, yes! But they fight just the same, or get the hell shamed out of them watching men who do fight who are just as scared. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some get over their fright in a minute under fire, some take an hour. For some it takes days. But the real man never lets fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to this country, and his innate manhood.

All through your Army career you have bitched about "chickenshit drill." That is all for a purpose. Drilling and discipline must be maintained in any army if for only one reason - instant obedience to orders and to create constant alertness. I don't give a damn for a man who is not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready. A man to continue breathing must be alert at all times. If not, some time a German son-of-a-bitch will sneak up behind him and beat him to death with a sock full of shit.

There are 400 neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily because one man went to sleep on his job. But they were German graves, for we caught the bastard asleep before his officers did.

An Army is a team - lives, sleeps, eats, fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is a lot of crap. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for The Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting, under fire, than they do about fornicating. We have the best food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best fighting men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor sons-of-bitches we are going up against. By God, I do!

My men don't surrender. I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he is hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight. That's not just bullshit, either. The kind of man I want under me is like the lieutenant in Libya who, with a Lugar against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the German with the helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German: All this with a bullet through his lung. That's a man for you.

All real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every man in the Army plays a vital part. Every little job is essential. Don't ever let down, thinking your role is unimportant. Every man has a job to do. Every man is a link in the great chain. What if every truck driver decided he didn't like the whine of the shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into the ditch? He could say to himself, "They won't miss me - just one in thousands." What if every man said that? Where in hell would we be now?

No, thank God, Americans don't say that! Every man does his job; every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important to the vast scheme of things. The Ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the Quartermaster to bring up the food and clothes to us - for where we're going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man in the mess hall, even the one who heats the water to keep us from getting the GIs, has a job to do. Even the chaplain is important, for if we get killed and if he is not there to bury us, we'd all go to hell.

Each man must not only think of himself but of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should all be killed off like flies. If not, they will go back home after the war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed brave men. Kill off the goddamn cowards and we'll have a nation of brave men.

One of the bravest men I ever saw in the African campaign was on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were plowing toward Tunis. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at that time. He answered, "Fixing the wire, sir." "Isn't it a little unhealthy right now?" I asked. "Yes sir, but this goddamn wire's got to be fixed." There was a real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how great the odds, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time.

You should have seen those trucks on the road to Gabes. The drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads - never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting around them all the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove over 40 consecutive hours. Those weren't combat men. But they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it - and in a whale of a way. They were part of a team. Without them the fight would have been lost. All the links in the chain pulled together and that chain became unbreakable.

Don't forget, you don't know I'm here. No word of the fact is to be mentioned in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell became of me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the goddamn Germans. Someday I want them to raise up on their hind legs and howl, "Ach, it's the goddamn Third Army and that son-of-a-bitch Patton again."

We want to get the hell over there. We want to get over there and clear the goddamn thing up. You can't win a war lying down. The quicker we clean up this goddamn mess, the quicker we can take a jaunt against the Japs and clean their nest out too, before the Marines get all the goddamn credit.

Sure, we all want to be home. We want this thing over with. The quickest way to get it over is to get the bastards. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin. When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get him eventually, and the hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one. We'll win this war but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans we've got more guts than they do.

There is one great thing you men will all be able to say when you go home. You may thank God for it, thank God that at least 30 years from now - when you're sitting around the fireside with your grandson on your knees, and he asks you what you did in the great war - you won't have to cough and say, "I shoveled shit in Louisiana."

-General George S. Patton Jr.-



  

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ShellySat Mar-29-03 10:49 PM
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#62. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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LOL, he was a hell of a leader, Al, but we both know he was also nuts.

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AlSat Mar-29-03 10:56 PM
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Yep, but he understood war. Unlike Ed.



  

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#67. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>Yep, but he understood war. Unlike Ed.

Ed understands what he can see. I see us bogging down, just as you do. This is not Vietnam, nor is it Afghanistan. The only thing they have in common is they were, and in the instance of Afghanistan, still is, combat, their only similarity. At the same time, and no matter what you or Junior says, we're bogged down, overextended and in a less than favorable position vis-a-vis their vaunted "war plans". Had we done what Junior and his war planners said we were going to do, we would have overrun the Iraqis and been celebrating in Baghdad. But as you know, the Iraqis had something to say about that. And it seems they will have more to say.

Whatever you say won't change the fact that our forces are stalled. With the exception of small probing units, we've stopped all along a 250 mile march. Surely you can see that?
Or would you infer that what I (and you) and the rest of the world can plainly see is not what is happening? That our forces, stretched out over nearly 300 miles (if you count the units still in Kuwait), aren't stalled, bogged down?
Am I to infer from your statements that the rising body count is not happening? That the Iraqis are not inflicting casualties on us?
It does not take an "expert" to see that for the moment (for the moment at least), our asses are in a sling?

It doesn't take an expert to know we should have had more front line troops in theater like the Generals wanted, before jumping off on what has proven by now to be a risky venture. I can see it, and I know you can. Junior can see it too but he won't wait for the 4th Mech. You go on being the curmudgeon, the obstreperous one, the super patriot waving the flag despite the piled up bodies. That's called myopia Al.
No matter, we'll win and you and Junior can beat in your chests like crazed Tarzans if you want. That won't change the fact we should have waited.

But then, Junior couldn't wait, seeing as how he has a presidency to win and late December or early January would have been inconvenient to his campaign plans.

Junior is the one playing loose with the lives of our troops, not Ed.


  

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OrchidBillSun Mar-30-03 06:06 AM
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#68. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Sun Mar-30-03 07:12 AM

          

Ed, Ed, Ed......you are hung up on Junior........You don't know squat about military doctine, procedures, strategy........You don't know squat about programmed R & R, when to clean weapons, analize the battlefield.....You don't know squat about the sound of a round missing your ear by a yard or less.....You are Chickenshit, as I was taught to classify folks like you....back in my Kentucky childhood. Let me say that one more time....it feels so good! You are Chickenshit, Big Time.

One of these days, when this endeavor is finalized, and the world is told (and convinced) of how close we came to horrible after-effects of Saddam's WMD's, maybe then the protesters will reconsider their position....then they can move on to some other pussyfoot cause....after all they always have to have a cause.

President Junior delayed this war as long as he possibly could. The warriors know this, but you don't know squat why.

The Coalition Forces hold up at a predetermined line.....it's not a response to the opposition......it's a normal, re-grouping of forces, and coordination of sister groups. True, sometimes the opposition response leads to a slight delay in the battle plan, while they analyze the response....but to call this a set back or a "butt kicking" is ....funny, but coming from a Chickenshit...

Finally, I apoligize for capitalizing "Chickenshit" above....you don't deserve an upper-case.

  

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#69. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Well Ed perhaps you are getting the message. Freedom in America is dead. It's not good enough to be an American, you also have to shut your mouth and agree with your dictator or his henchmen (the public)will attack you. Remember you are either with him or against him, there is no other possibility. To speak out against the war or how it is conducted makes you "against our boys giving their lives for our freedom", a freedom that can't be used, or worse, a traitor. The Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves seeing the people of America treat their president like a king. No dissent!

In the past few days I've been called an idiot numerous times, been told to go away, I'm close-minded, a waste of bandwidth and told that if I don't shutup someone would rub their dick in my eye. I couldn't give two shits what people say as most of these people believe that freedom=blind patriotism. They are fooling themselves. Perle, Wolfowitz, Bush, Cheney and company use the military to serve their own crazy visions of world order and line their pockets, those serving will pay the price, while on the homefront most of the people will wrap themselves in the flag and make it all possible.


  

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AlSun Mar-30-03 08:01 AM
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#71. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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How would you know? Toronto become part of the United States suddenly?



  

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observerSun Mar-30-03 09:14 AM
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#72. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Because I see how you windbags treat anyone who doesn't agree with you, it usually involves throwing an insult.

I don't remember ever saying I live in Toronto, where'd you get that idea?

  

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AlSun Mar-30-03 09:19 AM
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#73. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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It's where you are, isn't it?

This is a computer forum, you know. No one is really anonymous.



  

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observerSun Mar-30-03 09:31 AM
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#74. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Oh ok, I thought you might be using your position as a moderator to access the ip through that button which the rest of us don't have access to and posting my location publicly on the board.

  

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ShellySun Mar-30-03 10:02 AM
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#75. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Are you in hiding?

Shelly

  

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#76. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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shhhhh, yes, I'm actually Jimmy Hoffa.

  

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AlSun Mar-30-03 04:10 PM
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#79. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Then you'd be posting from the Meadowlands.



  

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Lol, good one.

  

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EdGreeneMon Mar-31-03 06:03 AM
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#81. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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>Ed, Ed, Ed......you are hung up on Junior........

Because he's draft dodging, lying son-of-a-Bush.

You don't
>know squat about military doctine, procedures,
>strategy........You don't know squat about programmed R & R,
>when to clean weapons, analize the battlefield.....You don't
>know squat about the sound of a round missing your ear by a
>yard or less.....

The 8th Infantry Division and Seventh Army (USAREUR) NCO academies both graduated me with honors. Besides, I'll show you my Purple Heart(s) if you'll show me yours?

You are Chickenshit, as I was taught to
>classify folks like you....back in my Kentucky childhood.
>Let me say that one more time....it feels so good! You are
>Chickenshit, Big Time.

Are you through? I tend to think of myself as a union representative, looking out for the welfare of the troops, as opposed to being an ass-kissing brown noser like yourself. It's the troops; Dummy! They are who is suffering because Junior's presidential aspirations could not wait.
This war is purely "Junior's revenge" as I wrote some weeks before. I also predicted troubles if we didn't wait. Now that it is going badly, you want to call me names.

>One of these days, when this endeavor is finalized, and the
>world is told (and convinced) of how close we came to
>horrible after-effects of Saddam's WMD's, maybe then the
>protesters will reconsider their position....then they can
>move on to some other pussyfoot cause....after all they
>always have to have a cause.

You've never read anywhere where I was "protesting" the war numb-nuts. I too am waiting for the discovery of WMD. If they are found, I'll apologize on this list. If not, will you... and that lying SOB Junior?

>President Junior delayed this war as long as he possibly
>could. The warriors know this, but you don't know squat
>why.

Not according to the New Yorker article. Junior and Rumsfield jumped the gun plain and simple. And what "Warriors"; you?
I'd bet anything, including my first-born, there was no consensus on jumping off (except in Rumsfield's head) so early and without the 4th Mech in place. Crossing the IP without enough troops on the ground was flat-out stupid.

>The Coalition Forces hold up at a predetermined
>line.....it's not a response to the opposition......it's a
>normal, re-grouping of forces, and coordination of sister
>groups.

The enforced break we're now on is a direct result of 1. enemy action 2. overextended supply lines and 3. that damn sandstorm.

>True, sometimes the opposition response leads to a
>slight delay in the battle plan, while they analyze the
>response....but to call this a set back or a "butt kicking"
>is ....funny, but coming from a Chickenshit...

"Slight delay"? You only think you know about me. My posts deal with what is obvious (to any trained NCO), not the flat-out lies you and Junior are spouting.
PS: The Army and Lieutenants are "Chickenshit", not Sargeants.

Ed
YAHOO-DSL!

  

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OrchidBillMon Mar-31-03 07:09 AM
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#82. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Listen chickenshit (lower case)...

You don't want to get into comparing experience in combat/terriorist environments with me. I will take you back as far as Korea, Cyprus...then to El Salvador, Cuba and a few others that might surprise you. I might explain to you what it's like to have to stand and see your 12-year old son spread-eagled over the hood of your car...roughly searched, etc......I sleep (not) with that every night.

Also chickenshit, if you earned a Purple Heart(s), please provide the registration numbers.....we will look them up and if they are valid, I will thank you for your contribution........

Most folks I know who earned the 'Heart' are proud of it.

  

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#83. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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> PS: The Army and Lieutenants are "Chickenshit", not
>Sargeants.


Like Robert L.Howard, right? He was both, does that make him half a chicken shit? I think he might have something to say about that.

  

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AlMon Mar-31-03 08:36 AM
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#85. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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I think he was talking about Nick Rowe...

COL Howard is in Korea these days, but I expect he's still quite capable of kicking Ed's ass across the parade ground.



  

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#86. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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SERE Nick Rowe? Wish he was still here, sure could use his help!

  

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AlMon Mar-31-03 09:11 AM
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#87. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Nick was an LT when he was captured. And he was the head of SERE when I attended it. That man was impressive. RIP COL Rowe.



  

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AlMon Mar-31-03 08:34 AM
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#84. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Gee, the New York Times. Such a superbly informed source for military information.

Ed, keep illustrating how much of an idiot you are. LMAO



  

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AlSun Mar-30-03 07:58 AM
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#70. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Ed, you are extrodinarily ignorant of things you claim to have knowledge of.

We aren't stalled. Do you think any of those units are out of fuel? Ammunition? Food? They aren't.

What do you expect to accomplish by charging forward?

We have possession of the Western airfields and the Scud Box.
We have possession of the Southern airfields, ports and are reducing Basra.
We have control of the North and are inserting follow-on forces.

We now control all of Iraq's borders. They are isolated. They have no source of reinforcement or resupply. We have reached the point at which we can move more deliberately, and at which deliberate movement is the appropriate choice.

See, Ed, that's called seeing the battlefield from a Commander's perspective. But you were never a Commander, so we don't expect such from you.



  

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tpikdaveSat Mar-29-03 11:42 PM
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#66. "RE: Mujahadeen moving into Iraq"
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Here we go again, Ed claiming to be a real gruntvet.... give it up Ed, we all know you were not there!

  

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