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hal9000Mon Jan-12-04 09:15 PM
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"Your papers please..."


          

U.S. to Push Airlines for Passenger Records
Travel Database to Rate Security Risk Factors

Washington Post
By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 12, 2004; Page A01

Despite stiff resistance from airlines and privacy advocates, the U.S. government plans to push ahead this year with a vast computerized system to probe the backgrounds of all passengers boarding flights in the United States.

The government will compel airlines and airline reservations companies to hand over all passenger records for scrutiny by U.S. officials, after failing to win cooperation in the program's testing phase. The order could be issued as soon as next month. Under the system, all travelers passing through a U.S. airport are to be scored with a number and a color that ranks their perceived threat to the aircraft.

the rest: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8504-2004Jan11?language=printer

  

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hal9000Mon Jan-12-04 09:18 PM
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#1. "RE: Your papers please..."
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What if your name's John Smith, and John happens to be wanted. Ever tried getting a negative credit rating off your credit report -- it's nearly impossible.

  

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cascaTue Jan-13-04 04:20 PM
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Now you the brilliance of the plan, need a unique identifier, please extend your left arm and we'll tatto your bar code number.

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labyrinthTue Jan-13-04 04:31 PM
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Come on Casca let's get with the 'Now Generation', you know it will be an embedded chip. The powers-that-be have to be able to find you when your sleeves are rolled down.

  

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DaDwarfsTue Jan-13-04 04:37 PM
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At work I wear my barcode (SS#)clipped to my uniform, the patients...errr "customers" as they are now known as..wear their barcode on their wrists (Pt. id #)

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hal9000Tue Jan-13-04 05:14 PM
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#5. "RE: Your papers please..."
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Tue Jan-13-04 07:27 PM by hal9000

          

Check this out:


http://www.geocities.com/hal9000report/hal74.html

  

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DaDwarfsTue Jan-13-04 07:17 PM
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"The VeriChip emits a 125-kilohertz radio frequency signal that transmits its unique ID number to a scanner."

The colander is as effective and non-invasive

"Reducing financial fraud. In this scenario, people could use their chip to withdraw money from ATMs; their accounts could not be accessed unless they were physically present."

Now you won't be robbed of your wallet,it will be your arm.

Your second link doesn't work
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hal9000Tue Jan-13-04 07:29 PM
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Sorry, try these:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26991

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17705

  

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Hank52Tue Jan-13-04 07:42 PM
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Isn't this starting to resemble the U.S.S.R. ???

Ken:

  

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cascaThu Jan-15-04 05:26 PM
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#9. "RE: Your papers please..."
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I;ll have to find the article and the author, but many years ago in one polysci course a professor said that the US and Russia would reverse roles with regard to the legal system.

BAsically the sheep in America are going to trade freedom for "perceived security" much as the English did under Chamberlan prior to WWII. Hitler said peace, then promptly invaded Poland.

The Patriot Act, combined with the recent decisions on the 1st and 2nd admendment and those secret laws and secret courts no one believes exist pretty much means they can arrest anyone on suspicion without at least the public excuse of "probable cause". Most traffic fines are now high enough to be a felony, so you can't own a gun and over time many won't. That's the way we like you, weak, demoralized dependent on the government and unarmed.

Nope, our grand experiment of freedom is over, tracked birth to death with all the necessary marketing information on your activities constantly gathered. You merely an economic stat and you better be productive or starve.

Once the "NWO" takes charity from people and makes it a government function imagine how that will affect society in the long run? Course we have religon and God on the run in the US, soon we will be able to burn Churches with impunity. Few more secularist in society and they'll watch as the buildings burn instead of rasie a protest.

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labyrinthThu Jan-15-04 11:08 PM
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#10. "RE: Your papers please..."
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Casca, I have to believe that people will be 'willing' to get the chip embedded because it will get you through 'screenings' faster, kind of like your car getting scanned as you go through a toll booth....those lanes always travel faster. As you go through an airport you won't have to pull ID out...you'll be able to get into a government building without having to go through a cavity search. A policeman will scan you when you are pulled over and know you are insured and licensed, and the ticket will be able to be just printed out in the patrol car.

  

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hal9000Fri Jan-16-04 12:09 AM
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#11. "RE: Your papers please..."
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"Casca, I have to believe that people will be 'willing' to get
the chip embedded because it will get you through 'screenings'
faster..."


I think there's some truth in what you say. If Americans accept a National ID card as they accepted SSNs, and if the intrusiveness of such a system expands as did government-mandated SSN usage, ten years from now people will get used to it.

But the government will always tell you it's for your protection. The fact is, even if a National ID card goes into effect, and is needed to complete a transaction, you will actually be asking the Federal Government for its permission. It will convert all private transactions to public ones. It will create a government license for all jobs, all travel, all medical care, and many purchases.

  

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labyrinthSat Jan-17-04 02:12 AM
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#12. "RE: Your papers please..."
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Sat Jan-17-04 02:49 PM by labyrinth

          

Hal, as you know, that is just the tip of the iceberg.

  

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